US regionals recruiting pilots from overseas??

SilkyD

SilkyD

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Don't know if this has been posted before.

From the Australian Federation of Air Pilots website.


ATPL holders needed NOW for USA - For First Officer Opportunities

A fantastic opportunity is available to work as a First Officer on Regional Jet for a major USA Airline. In addition to building your Airline experience you will be able to enjoy living, exploring and flying around the USA in one of the worlds most sophisticated airline environments.

The Airline expects a minimum two year commitment from you and in return will pay for all your training including a Type Rating on the Regional Jet that is used by the Company, your return airfare, visa's and other associated costs of moving to the USA and the local award wage.

Applicants must be Australian citizens holding an ATPL & Command Instrument Rating and undergo a USA security check

To apply please email your CV including full details of your qualifications and experience to: usapilotrecruitment@iinet.net.au

Interviews for suitable candidates to be held during August
 
Do they really expect that to work when they could probably (as far as I know) make way better money overseas, and where I'm sure the training market is probably even worse off than it is in the States?
 
MikeD said:
Cabotage slowly becoming closer to reality?
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How so?

Microsoft needs software engineers, hardware engineers, programmers, etc they go to India and recruit. They get them H1B ( or whatever the correct Visa is ). They can do that because they show the government they do not have the ability to recruit from within the USA. Same thing here, if this is true. With the new ATP requirement and regionals already stating they are not able to find enough pilots they will be able to get Visas for foreign pilots. That's foreign pilots flying U.S. registered airplanes for U.S. companies. How is that cabotage?

For the last 11 years I flew foreign registered airplanes for a foreign company, along with 300 other Americans. Was that cabotage also?

Cabotage is something totally different than this. It is a foreign company flying domestically in the USA with foreign registered aircraft, likely employing foreign nationals ( not on a Green card or H1B Visa ).

Interestingly, about 10 years ago someone under age 39 with an Australian commercial certificate could immigrate to Australia under their immigration guidelines. A lot of Zimbabwean and South African pilots went down there and got their Aussie commercial-instrument in order to meet the requirement. Sometimes needed a little bit of cash to buy a few more points to hit the minimum, but for them it was well worth it. They don't work in Australia, for the most part, but have moved their families there.



Typhoonpilot
 
typhoonpilot said:
How so?

Microsoft needs software engineers, hardware engineers, programmers, etc they go to India and recruit. They get them H1B ( or whatever the correct Visa is ). They can do that because they show the government they do not have the ability to recruit from within the USA. Same thing here, if this is true. With the new ATP requirement and regionals already stating they are not able to find enough pilots they will be able to get Visas for foreign pilots. That's foreign pilots flying U.S. registered airplanes for U.S. companies. How is that cabotage?

For the last 11 years I flew foreign registered airplanes for a foreign company, along with 300 other Americans. Was that cabotage also?

Cabotage is something totally different than this. It is a foreign company flying domestically in the USA with foreign registered aircraft, likely employing foreign nationals ( not on a Green card or H1B Visa ).

Interestingly, about 10 years ago someone under age 39 with an Australian commercial certificate could immigrate to Australia under their immigration guidelines. A lot of Zimbabwean and South African pilots went down there and got their Aussie commercial-instrument in order to meet the requirement. Sometimes needed a little bit of cash to buy a few more points to hit the minimum, but for them it was well worth it. They don't work in Australia, for the most part, but have moved their families there.



Typhoonpilot
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Thank you for the reply, and the basis for my question was whether foreign pilots might (or might not) be the place setting for foreign airlines eventually. I was asking because I do hear some talk about how there are foreign companies and entities pushing and lobbying to make cabotage rules relaxed and eventually possibly eliminated. I have no idea whether this is a true or active threat or not, hence the question.
 
MikeD said:
Thank you for the reply, and the basis for my question was whether foreign pilots might (or might not) be the place setting for foreign airlines eventually. I was asking because I do hear some talk about how there are foreign companies and entities pushing and lobbying to make cabotage rules relaxed and eventually possibly eliminated. I have no idea whether this is a true or active threat or not, hence the question.
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I do not doubt that there are some foreign airlines that would like to serve the U.S. domestic market, but I do not believe this employment program, (if it actually exists), to be part of the strategy. As stated, if a U.S. company is able to show the need is not being fulfilled domestically, they might be able to get immigration to grant H1B Visas for pilots. Much as Americans are employed as pilots overseas by foreign airlines due to those foreign countries not having enough qualified pilots of their own.

In a way, it a good thing they are going after Australians. In general, an Australian (or two, or three, or ten), properly wound up and pointed in the right direction, is a great tool to have in labor disputes. They just don't back down and will even fall on their sword to fight for what they think is right. Europeans, on the other hand, seem to be the kings of PFT nowadays ( Ryanair, Easyjet, etc. ). Oops, don't tell the U.S. regionals then they'll start offering pay to fly programs for Europeans.


Typhoonpilot
 
This ad is unusual, and if legit, a definite sea change but still 100% unanswered questions. I'd think once it's more widely known, keeping a lid on the plans (whatever they are) would be more difficult for whoever is behind this. Anyone shaking the bushes out there ?

The whole thing looks a bit ambitious, frankly. "...will pay for all your training...". What's that mean ? So, they'd have to get Aussies an FAA ATP ? How long and expensive is that ? Maybe an FAA license is required of applicants ? The ad didn't say. I'd bet there are some Aussies with FAA tickets but not all will have 'em.

It's hard to see it as part of some sinister management plot to manipulate the US regional segment considering that, so far, it's appeared in only one place: a rather obscure website of an Australian pilots union where it'd most likely be seen only by those being targeted by the employer. If it hadn't been posted here, would you have seen it at all ? Has this ad appeared elsewhere ? If I wanted to manipulate the regional segment, I'd be more public about it.

Nor is it a "solution" to the regional's woes as they're unlikely to get hundreds & hundreds of Aussies. Is this ad going to motivate those of you who've so far refused to fly for a regional to now accept the job ? I'll guess...no. So, they aren't taking your job at that level; they're pickin' up your scraps.

Here's a theory: young Aussie guys get work visas... come to the USA...get FAA tickets...have two years to meet & marry an American...get a Green Card...then citizenship...get competitive...get a spot with a US legacy and live happily ever after. :eek:

YIKES !!! They're stealin' yer women AND yer jobs !!! :bounce:
 
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Several Australians in a different forum have mentioned that the domain name for the email address is equivalent to yahoo (I am sure people have gotten a job responding to a yahoo email but you know what I am getting at), and they are doubtful as to the authenticity and intent of the ad. The ad has reportedly already been removed.

Here is what I have read as an email response to the advertisement:

We are an organisation that has been appointed by the USA Airline to conduct pre-screening of applicants and at this point, the Airline has requested that we do not reveal company details until we move to the next step in the process.
A few points to note:
1. We have received a number of applications from people that do not yet hold an ATPL. You must have an ATPL for this position. Some applicants have the issue of their ATPL imminent and of course these applicants will be considered.
2. We have received a number of applications from New Zealand Citizens. We are currently checking with our client as to whether this opportunity can also be offered to New Zealand citizens.
3. Some of the applicants are highly qualified with thousands of hours of experience. Due to the renumeration offered (US$ low 30k's) this opportunity is probably best suited to someone with no or limited airline experience that is looking for an opportunity to be provided with a medium size jet rating at no cost and a "start" in the Airline industry.
We are also in the process of checking with our client as to whether there are any opportunities that can be offered to highly experienced applicants.
We have received a significant number of applications and will be reviewing these over the next 10 days.
Once again, we thank you for your interest and will be in contact again with every applicant by Saturday 2nd August.
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Sad that pilots are tripping all over themselves for this wages. But despite the above message, I can imagine this would only be a brief respite for the demand. Especially considering how low the pay is and how expensive the COL is in Australia and NZ. I could also imagine a lot of guys bailing after 6-9 months once they get the time they need to get hired for better pay back home.
 
"3. Some of the applicants are highly qualified with thousands of hours of experience. Due to the renumeration offered (US$ low 30k's) this opportunity is probably best suited to someone with no or limited airline experience that is looking for an opportunity to be provided with a medium size jet rating at no cost and a "start" in the Airline industry."

So in other words, "We are looking for CAA ATPL pilots who can not get hired on with a airline locally, who are able to relocate to the USA and live on 30K USD/Year, (preferably not married or with children)"

When the 200 Aussies who meet that description are used up, the airlines are right back where they started in less than a year. Another 50 or so a year will make a negligible impact on the regionals staffing problem.
 
bafanguy said:
Here's a theory: young Aussie guys get work visas... come to the USA...get FAA tickets...have two years to meet & marry an American...get a Green Card...then citizenship...get competitive...get a spot with a US legacy and live happily ever after. :eek:

YIKES !!! They're stealin' yer women AND yer jobs !!! :bounce:
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Edit to amend my theory for accuracy:

Here's a theory: young Aussie guys get work visas...come to the USA...get FAA tickets...have two years to meet & marry an American...get a Green Card...then citizenship...get competitive...get a spot with a US legacy...divorce Mrs. Green Card...and THEN live happily ever after.

I guess they only stole your job cuz they gave you the women back.
 
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