US Airways' Unwritten Policy: Revenues First, Safety Second?

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Took a pair or netjeters from the lovely city of CKB to IAD this morning. I think if they can avoid travellung on CJC they do but if we are the only game in town they are sorta stuck.
 
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WacoFan said:
I know that USAPA is frowned on, but I admire their militancy.
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Advertising in USA Today isn't as good as a bang for the buck as one would think.

jtrain609 said:
But the FAA might, and that would probably be the larger issue.
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If you are trying to change the cultural safety differences of a company. Taking an ad out in USA Today isn't going to work to have the FAA take notice. As a matter of fact, it might actually hurt making any change. There are other ways to do it.

BobDDuck said:
There were a large number of corporate travel departments that weren't allowed to book on Korean Air during the late 80s/ early 90s and Air China during the late 90s/ early 2000s. Even now, NetJets pilots won't be booked on a CJC flight, or at least that was the case a year ago. Sure, Ma and Pa Kettle might not care, but there are probably enough people out there that do that it makes a dent in revenue.
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Not true anymore about booking on CJC.
 
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jtrain609 said:
I think we all know they don't have proper oversight of the industry :)
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Yeah, Remeber it has been said the the airlines are the FAA's customers. As far as the FAA can see its never the airline, its always the pilots or Maint. personnel with the problem... I wish they would open their darn eyes. If the foot was put down for everyone cost cutting in safety areas wouldn't be an issue because they couldn't do it. Ticket prices would be higher we would all be in a better place.
 
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granlistillo said:
For a pilot certificate action they will pull the catch all reckless operation. With a carrier, well I once had a FAA safety inspector tell me "they can't interfere with management decisions". He went on to explain, it really had to be a violation of a regulation, before they could do anything. That is why the ad, imo, differentiated between what was safe and what was legal. USAPA took its case to the court of public opinion. BTW, Airways issued a rebuttal that said, this is all USAPA strong arm negotiating tactics and without substance or merit or words to that effect. FWIW
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Just curious but what would you have the FAA do to enforce outside of a company breaking a regulation? Sounds like a very slippery slope once you go outside the enforcement of FAR's. Just trying to see what I'm missing.
 
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I hate pooping in public restrooms and I really HATE using the lav on a commercial flight for any reason. That said, the only time I've ever taken a dump on an airplane was on a USAir flight to Charlotte.
 
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Cav said:
Just curious but what would you have the FAA do to enforce outside of a company breaking a regulation? Sounds like a very slippery slope once you go outside the enforcement of FAR's. Just trying to see what I'm missing.
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There is stuff that is not legal, but arguably not unsafe. Plenty of stuff that is legal but darned unsafe. A recent poster summed it up well. They will take action against an individual workerbee but never against management. If anything had gone wrong on that flight and they would've let the captain have it, but never would back her up.

So to answer your question, I would worry more about what could lead to an accident ie things that are unsafe, than picayune petty bull crap. More of an ORM like the military instead of their near worthless ability (nor desire) to prevent anything bad from happening except for the most egregious circumstances.
 
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WacoFan said:
I hate pooping in public restrooms and I really HATE using the lav on a commercial flight for any reason. That said, the only time I've ever taken a dump on an airplane was on a USAir flight to Charlotte.
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Well, that could be the cause of the unsafe airplane right there.
 
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I think he's talking about Jimmy, but what do I know.

As far as I knew they still can't ride on CJC flights unless the QS crew specifically says they are willing to and it's the only option to get where they are going.
 
You guys always seem to focus on the leisure traveler who is price sensitive. While they add to the bottom line it is the business traveler who is flying on his/her company dime - often booked at the last minute - who is the bread and butter. They are schedule sensitive and DO have the ability to have their travel arranger choose to avoid certain airlines, equipment types, etc.

At most companies with corporate flight departments the company plane provides only a fraction of the lift. The remainder are sent via airlines, fractional, Acela, or even company car. That segment is your bread and butter and therefore is the customer you should be courting.
 
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granlistillo said:
Would you let your kids or mom fly on a plane you really felt shouldn't go? Would you let someone else's kids go and not make an announcement?

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I climbed in the back and told my passengers face to face (after my dispatcher tried to give me several reasons why it was ok to take a deferred anti-skid brake onto a raining runway while not "pressuring me") why I was making them get off my airplane and go back into the terminal on an already delayed departure. None of them wanted me to take them out and do 100mph without anti skid on a wet runway either, they all got off gladly. Funny how they got me another airplane within 15 minutes, when there were none available...
 
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Airways stated a few years back that they were going after the leisure traveler and not the business market. Then, when the economy tanked and they realized that the leisure market is the first to shrink, they suddenly started trying to reinvent the wheel to attract business customers.
 
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