SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I'm not talking bypass guys, I'm talking guys actually furloughed at time of merger announcement.
US Airways Pilots Sue American Airlines Pilots
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SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Bloch put them in as if they had not been furloughed. I hope it sets a precedent. It's about paying it forward.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That was one of the central issues that the Nic award messed up (if you are talking to an eastie).
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Saw this article on Yahoo today
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-us-airways-pilot-kept-154100275.html
Apparently an Airways captain has added the entire AA pilot group to his personal jumpseat ban.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-us-airways-pilot-kept-154100275.html
Apparently an Airways captain has added the entire AA pilot group to his personal jumpseat ban.
What a moron.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
There are a lot of old school pilots still in Charlotte (assuming he was based there and it's probably even worse in DCA and PHL). If just ONE Airways pilot gets booted from an AA jumpseat, or even gets a lecture from an AA pilot while riding the jumpseat, they WILL retaliate against this LCC captain who has caused the problem.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Your merger took place under new ALPA Merger Policy. Come to think of it, I think Delta's did, too.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Well, frankly, I don't think it was a mess-up. I preferred the old policy. But regardless, Nicolau had to go by the policy that was in place at the time, and it didn't provide any provision for considering DOH or length of service. In fact, it had been specifically removed years earlier.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
I think that is very fair. And what the US-East guys are so upset about didn't happen.
Would really suck if the Nic award stands, then Bloch slots all the furloughs into the list like what should've happened with East-West. Until the last East guy retires you would never hear the end of it.
The jumpseat should be a DMZ.......free of weapons. Using the jumpseat as a battleground is a bad.....very bad....idea. Because it's like nuclear warfare: when one ICBM flies, they ALL will fly. And all you will have is Mutually Assured Destruction.
Being a child of the Cold War brings clarity sometimes, doesn't it?
Yes sir it does. Very applicable in this case.
Ungh. I love flying airplanes, but that "pilot mentality" just slays me.
After a flight I removed a full garbage back from the cockpit and put it in the forward galley after flight and one of the FO's attempted to lecture me about doing "janitorial work" and how the company was never going to respect me.
"Go ahead, grab the bag and throw it around the cockpit if you'd like. Make sure you put it in the logbook about how the last crew left an untenable mess"
He's probably stroked out by now.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
He's top notch. Probably the best SLI arbitration guy around. And he commands the dollars for it, too.
Of course, George Nicolau is also one of the best and most respected arbitrators around, too, and you saw how USAPA threw their little hissy fit after his reasonable ruling.
Easy to say that from the outside looking in. Bloch used his Delta/Northwest mentality and threw it straight onto 9E/XJ/9L. It just doesn't work well that way. You can't use the same reasonings/thought process for a legacy integration versus a regional integration. I do believe SWA management and SWAPA knew this and knew it well, which is why AirTran never saw a day of arbitration.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
From the outside looking in, I think AirTran got integrated fairly "as a whole" considering AAI Captains made what SWA FOs make.
Well Doug, are you TRAINED to be collecting a garbage bag and putting it in the forward galley??
Maybe the real janitor wouldn't appreciate you taking over his union-earned work he's probably being overpaid for, even if he is on his 3 hour lunch break.
And what if you'd been injured moving that trash bag the 5 feet from the cockpit to the forward galley??? Would the company cover you??!?!?
(my best union stroke-out impression)
Well Doug, are you TRAINED to be collecting a garbage bag and putting it in the forward galley??
Maybe the real janitor wouldn't appreciate you taking over his union-earned work he's probably being overpaid for, even if he is on his 3 hour lunch break.
And what if you'd been injured moving that trash bag the 5 feet from the cockpit to the forward galley??? Would the company cover you??!?!?
(my best union stroke-out impression)
Well, some stations they'll remove the bag from the cockpit, other stations they won't.
It chafes my hide to find half-empty water bottles, unfinished beverages and a full trash bag when I enter the cockpit because some people think mommy is going to come clean up after them.
Personally, when I'm done with an airplane, I make sure everything is dumped out, thrown into the bag and placed in the forward galley. I'm sure it might drive some of the "You're not a janitor" types from time to time, but I do it as a professional courtesy to the next crew.
I haaaaaaaaaate hate hate trashed cockpits. You would't treat your Bugatti like that, why in the world do pilots treat a $40 million dollar jet only a few years old any different?
Any aircraft I fly, I treat it as if it's my own aircraft.
Do I wash and detail my helo after every flight? Of course not. But do I make darn sure that it's policed up (no pun intended) after I'm done with it? Of course. That's just personal responsibility and respect for the iron.
I'm certainly not an uppity "my white collar airline job doesn't allow me to be reduced to picking up refuse and trash.....that's the riff-raff's job......."
amorris311
Well-Known Member
I get that this might be a joke but making fun of unions for protecting people's jobs and affording them a wage that keeps food on the table is not cool. Especially since this site embodies the whole idea of community and help one another. How many union jobs that you know of personally allow 3 hour lunch breaks? I get that this might be an inside joke but to the rest of us who work hard each and everyday to make this an affordable career it's a low blow. When a family member of mine worked for Pan Am back in the day if you tried to do anything outside of your job description you were going to be written up and disciplined.Well Doug, are you TRAINED to be collecting a garbage bag and putting it in the forward galley??
Maybe the real janitor wouldn't appreciate you taking over his union-earned work he's probably being overpaid for, even if he is on his 3 hour lunch break.
And what if you'd been injured moving that trash bag the 5 feet from the cockpit to the forward galley??? Would the company cover you??!?!?
(my best union stroke-out impression)
Also you have no idea how many times, I, along with @Seggy @Cruise @SmitteyB @CAPIP1998 as well as others have dealt with management types who would argue against workers comp for moving bags or trash for that matter.
Any aircraft I fly, I treat it as if it's my own aircraft.
Do I wash and detail my helo after every flight? Of course not. But do I make darn sure that it's policed up (no pun intended) after I'm done with it? Of course. That's just personal responsibility and respect for the iron.
I'm certainly not an uppity "my white collar airline job doesn't allow me to be reduced to picking up refuse and trash.....that's the riff-raff's job......."
I pick up trash, may wipe down the vanity if it's drenched, sometimes help the stews set up Biz Elite if I'm flying relief, doing nothing, and we're running late… We've got a kick ass product because of our people, not in spite of them.
Do your part.
Cash that check.
Go home.