US Airways A330 hits Severe Turbulence. Injures 6

ERfly said:
No more Atlantic RJs (757s)? I remember when Germany was threatening to kick Continental out of Berlin because they couldn't get to EWR nonstop.
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Berlin is now a 767-300.

We are mostly using the 757s to places like the places in Ireland, places in England other than LHR, Lisbon, Madrid, and Barcelona (a lot of the 757s routes we are doing twice a day as well from EWR). Most of the Trans-Atlantic stuff is now 767-300s and 767-400s
 
dasleben said:
Honestly, my sniff test is if the FAs are up, I'll get up if I need to. Lots of crews just forget to turn them off.

@SeanD, I get up plenty. I have issues with my right knee if I'm down for too long in an economy seat.

Sorry gents, I guess I'm "that guy." But, I also go to Asia and back every 17 days in the back of a jet, so if anyone thinks I'm going to sit there like a church mouse in my seat, only getting up once or twice, and only peeing if/when the pilots turn the signs off, you've all got another thing coming. :)
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I get that. But that's also one of the reasons a few were injured here IMO. Just because an FA is up, doesn't mean passengers should be to. If the sign is on, there could be rough air coming that the guys up front go a report about and told the FA's to hurry up and have a seat.
 
SeanD said:
Since when did they start using A330s from PHL to MCO? Oh, and there was some severe turbulence thing that happened too after departure from PHL.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...Due-to-Turbulence-Several-Hurt-257890721.html
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Since October. They replaced an A319 running at about a 92% load factor with an A330 running at 75% load factor. My guess would be that the A319 wasn't enough to demand, and they needed something with around 200 seats. Why they didn't go with a 76 I don't know - perhaps none available and an extra 330 sitting around.
 
The 757-300 is the perfect airplane to run from the Northeast to Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, and maybe Tampa (depending on what is going on in Tampa).
 
Seggy said:
Berlin is now a 767-300.

We are mostly using the 757s to places like the places in Ireland, places in England other than LHR, Lisbon, Madrid, and Barcelona (a lot of the 757s routes we are doing twice a day as well from EWR). Most of the Trans-Atlantic stuff is now 767-300s and 767-400s
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I have a foggy memory … Isn't there some weird Open Skies requirement that some a large portion of a carrier's Trans-Atlantic traffic has to go through or land at Ireland? A cursory web search didn't find anything, but I seem to remember UAL and COA were sending a whole bunch of 757s to Dublin from the US (long, thin routes) because of some kind of requirement.
 
Minuteman said:
I have a foggy memory … Isn't there some weird Open Skies requirement that some a large portion of a carrier's Trans-Atlantic traffic has to go through or land at Ireland? A cursory web search didn't find anything, but I seem to remember UAL and COA were sending a whole bunch of 757s to Dublin from the US (long, thin routes) because of some kind of requirement.
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Don't know about that. Ireland is a great market for us and they have expanded service to the country from our other hubs besides EWR.

SNN and DUB do have US Customs Pre-clearance.
 
Seggy said:
Don't know about that. Ireland is a great market for us and they have expanded service to the country from our other hubs besides EWR.

SNN and DUB do have US Customs Pre-clearance.
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Ah, found it … I think.
So back in the days before Open Skies, the US-Irish air service agreement mandated that half the flights from the US to Ireland had to stop at Shannon (either as a destination or a technical stop to somewhere else). Once Open Skies started, Ireland pushed hard for a "Shannon clause" that cut the ratio from half to one-in-every-three flights to Ireland. I couldn't really find anything about it after 2008, so it's probably been dropped entirely by now.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Really?

I think ~125 destinations in 70 different countries.
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Yep!

They have a lot of 'holes' in their network to secondary European cities and Asia. Also look how Delta is trying to ramp up a West Coast hub to feed Asia from. The new 'Merican doesn't have that.
 
Seggy said:
Yep!

They have a lot of 'holes' in their network to secondary European cities and Asia. Also look how Delta is trying to ramp up a West Coast hub to feed Asia from. The new 'Merican doesn't have that.
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You're a DL guy?

DL widebody fleet:
161 Current 28 Orders
American
149 Current 74 Orders
 
AA/US has always been weak in the Asia flying arena. AA is pretty good in S. America and I assume Europe but I really don't know how they compare over there either. I know DAL has a good Asia network which was bolstered when they combined with NWA, and so does UAL.

At this point out of the 3 legacy carriers DAL looks the most attractive long term, but UAL even with it's route structure is losing money. So it's not just about route structure.

A lot of the Asian routes on the legacies were obtained a long time ago and acquired through mergers or bankruptcy buyouts, so more probably won't be forthcoming.
 
You're not DL? I'm new here.
Give American a few years. Hopefully all three of us have great intl networks. Rather be telling lies with you guys in the pub or at the beach somewhere nice than on here.
 
AAPalmTree said:
You're not DL? I'm new here.
Give American a few years. Hopefully all three of us have great intl networks. Rather be telling lies with you guys in the pub or at the beach somewhere nice than on here.
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The real question is when will the SLI be done so I can bid Miami?!?
 
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wheelsup said:
The real question is when will the SLI be done so I can bid Miami?!?
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With our more extreme association members touting "Separate Ops" until they retire (which isn't all that far off thank God), who knows? In their mind, everyone lives on Lake Norman and is happy in CLT.
 
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