US Air 1549 - modern day United 232?

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pilotlight

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I know that this thread is going to open up a big discussion but I am wondering if US Air 1549 is our modern day 232 and Captain Sully is our Al Haines?
Both were miracles
Both of the crews - Captain, FO, and Flight attendants performed excellent
Both crashes could have killed everyone on board
Both had all the resources they needed as far as rescue equipment within minutes.
Both had procedures that the crew made up as they went (although I am sure there was a double engine failure checklist if they got to it on the US AIR flight)

I realize that United 232 lost some lives and that is very sad still to this day but it was still a miracle that that many people lived and this US air plane??? I still cant believe it remained in one piece on touchdown.

This is not a thread to say one was better than the other, and who knows we still need to hear the box from US AIR but what it sounds like, its what it seems to be, this is just a comparison of two very heroic efforts by flight crews from the Captain to the most junior flight attendent.

What are your thoughts??? Will Captain Sully be touring the nation in years to come giving speeches like Al Haines?
 
I think that the crew of US Air 1549 did to a terrific job, but I don't think they compare to United 232.

I'm not trying to be insensitive, but US Air 1549 lost power; United 232 lost all flight controls. Both are terrific feats, but I will always view United 232 as the definition of good CRM, and great pilots!
 
pilotlight said:
I know that this thread is going to open up a big discussion but I am wondering if US Air 1549 is our modern day 232 and Captain Sully is our Al Haines?
Both were miracles
Both of the crews - Captain, FO, and Flight attendants performed excellent
Both crashes could have killed everyone on board
Both had all the resources they needed as far as rescue equipment within minutes.
Both had procedures that the crew made up as they went (although I am sure there was a double engine failure checklist if they got to it on the US AIR flight)

I realize that United 232 lost some lives and that is very sad still to this day but it was still a miracle that that many people lived and this US air plane??? I still cant believe it remained in one piece on touchdown.

This is not a thread to say one was better than the other, and who knows we still need to hear the box from US AIR but what it sounds like, its what it seems to be, this is just a comparison of two very heroic efforts by flight crews from the Captain to the most junior flight attendent.

What are your thoughts??? Will Captain Sully be touring the nation in years to come giving speeches like Al Haines?
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United 232 - 1989 (I would say that's still modern, far from ancient history)
Miracles - ehhh. I'd say two greatly trained cabin crews had more to do with it.
Procedures - Ehh I have to doubt they were making things up as they went along.

I remember seeing CA Haynes at NJC and one of the things I remember was him speaking about communication with the rescue ops.....There was some obviously tense moments and the communication was one area where things could have been better.

I think 'Sully' already speaks on safety with a company he owns. I would be sure that he will indeed be wnated on the speaking circuit.
 
I think the US Air was a great example of good reaction. But I don't see that crew as having any choices whatsoever. They were only reacting to the hand that was dealt; I doubt they had any remotely safe options at all other than the river. Obviously that's not meant to take anything away from it because the execution seems to have been flawless. But from a CRM standpoint, they were back on the earth what - 3min to 4min after the power loss? Not a lot of time together as a crew, or really anything other than declare, give a brace signal, and flare. It will be interesting to learn more when the CVR comes out. The FAs did a tremendous job with the evacuation, everyone seemed calm which I'm sure helped prevent injury or worse after the crash was over.

UAL 232 on the other hand was a great example of tremendous CRM, where they had tons of options and time - and all were varying levels of bad. I see that flight as having almost infinite possibilities of what they could have done, and they worked together as a crew (and more) to solve the puzzle as best as they could given what few pieces they had.

Just my (premature) thoughts!
 
It was NOT a miracle. Stop with this miracle crap. It was the results of the professional, experienced, and well-trained cabin crews that led to the successful outcome of the situation.
 
JaceTheAce said:
It was NOT a miracle. Stop with this miracle crap. It was the results of the professional, experienced, and well-trained cabin crews that led to the successful outcome of the situation.
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I know. The general public can't accept that training, experience and proper utilization of both by the entire flight crew saved the day.

You know, we're just overpaid button-pushing primadonnas.
 
One of the things that really sticks in my mind from Capt Haynes lecture at NJC was his discussion on PTSD and "Survivor's Guilt". Since there were no losses of life in this one, it'll be interesting to see what the future PTSD of this situation is amongst the passengers and crew. Particularly since they had a much shorter time period from failure to resolution than 232 had. Just a random thought.
 
True.

Man, when he started tearing up when he announced that one of the survivors was in the audience, I about lost it.
 
When I use the term Miracle, I mean that it was astonishing how good their skills were to control both of their planes how they did. I will use a different term in the future as I agree with you guys.
 
I think both events are obviously incredible, but I don't find them similiar. They were each cool for their own reasons in my opinion.
 
JaceTheAce said:
It was NOT a miracle. Stop with this miracle crap. It was the results of the professional, experienced, and well-trained cabin crews that led to the successful outcome of the situation.
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They did a great job. Earned their pay and brought great credit on the profession.
On another note: No disrespect towards the great captains Haynes and Fitch. The DHL crew that landed at Baghdad with no flight controls after the manpad SAM hit, using only differential thrust? Unequaled feat in aviation.

We learn from the great ones.
 
granlistillo said:
:yeahthat:


They did a great job. Earned their pay and brought great credit on the profession.
On another note: No disrespect towards the great captains Haynes and Fitch. The DHL crew that landed at Baghdad with no flight controls after the manpad SAM hit, using only differential thrust? Unequaled feat in aviation.

We learn from the great ones.
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Its sad that no one knows about that one because there were no people on board.
 
granlistillo said:
On another note: No disrespect towards the great captains Haynes and Fitch. The DHL crew that landed at Baghdad with no flight controls after the manpad SAM hit, using only differential thrust? Unequaled feat in aviation.
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I'll second that one.
 
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