UPS Shuffle Continues

SIUav8er said:
huh? I dont think anyone said anything like that in here! Simply discussing the UPS feeder system... which is pretty screwy from my point of view. I guess thats what happens when a trucking company gets involved with air cargo.
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Yeah you are absolutely right! I was responding to a comment on page one but should have quoted it like this:
Boris Badenov said:
AMF, God bless them, have been shutting down little 135s for a long time now. I've lost two jobs to the juggernaut already. Without slagging on our many AMF comrades, I will say that I think it's a sad trend, and maybe just a little taste of the Regionals for freightdoggies.
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However I did completely misinterpret his statement anyway so it is just as well I didn't quote it! :P I get it now, though!

Speaking of trucking companies and air cargo... what ever came of UPS trying to make it so that FedEx had to comply with the trucking (labor?) laws or trying to force them to adhere to some federal regulations for trucking companies. Maybe it was joining a union or something? I think a google search is in order...
And sorry for my being out of order in my previous post's completely random and unjustified contrary tone.

See I told you I've been wrong more than once!
 
To best address the wishes of shareholders, UPS could create their own "UPS Feeder" wholly owned company, offer attractive pay to hire the experienced pilots from current feeder companies, organize a union to motivate those pilots to stay for life and lessen training costs, lease/buy a fleet of 208/99/1900s, and establish a very small management team with minimal overhead costs (UPS already have logistics experts who knows what they want out of the airline; the pilots could be utilized more to manage their individual runs and negotiate local contracts for fuel, hangar, maintenance, security, parking, ramp access etc). Judging from the numbers I've heard thrown around it seems even the low ball contracts are in the territory of 100% markup thanks to the risk small companies face when promising backup airplanes and pilots.

There is often a complete communication disconnect between the UPS managers, Feeder airline managers/dispatchers/CP and the actual line pilot. Bringing all that flying in-house should pay for itself in <3 years. I'm surprised the current UPS union(s?) haven't already demanded it. They are not saving money by having maximum number of inefficient entities compete to make a profit off them.
 
Not that I have the means to do so in the near or far future, but how would one go about finding out what contracts UPS or FedEx has out there, who currently holds them, what routes are available, etc? Kinda doing a group project here for school and wanted to mock up a Freight cargo carrier company.
 
spilot said:
There is often a complete communication disconnect between the UPS managers, Feeder airline managers/dispatchers/CP and the actual line pilot. Bringing all that flying in-house should pay for itself in <3 years. I'm surprised the current UPS union(s?) haven't already demanded it. They are not saving money by having maximum number of inefficient entities compete to make a profit off them.
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interesting point, but as far as the UPS pilot union goes I would venture to say they want nothing of the sort! Their contract I am sure has a scope clause in it which protects their flying (ie long haul stuff, aircraft size, etc). I am sure they want nothing to do with a separate pilot union. As far as bringing it in house, that almost never seems to be cheaper. Just take a look at the passenger regional airlines. It seems that the outside, 3rd party regionals can always do the flying cheaper than the wholly owned regionals. Alaska/Horizon comes to mind here. I dont think UPS wants anything to do with running more aircraft than they have to.
 
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