UPS Pay

Bandit_Driver

Bandit_Driver

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Can someone explain why UPS has one pay scale and not have a scale per aircraft. Seems this would greatly benefit the company.




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I believe the biggest argument for it from the pilot's perspective is that it keeps people from chasing money. Bid the aircraft you want to fly instead of the one that pays the most.

From the company's side, it reduces training float since pilots aren't changing fleets all the time in an effort to make extra cash.
 
They used to have two pay scales, narrow body (DC-8 727 & 757) and wide body. But after they retired the 3 seaters, they just rolled the 75 into the rest of the fleet.
 
USMCmech said:
They used to have two pay scales, narrow body (DC-8 727 & 757) and wide body. But after they retired the 3 seaters, they just rolled the 75 into the rest of the fleet.
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I've been at UPS since 90 and we always had one pay scale. 727 Capt paid the same as 747 Capt. Still like that. Of course, longevity pay is based on years of service. This system does benefit the company in that it reduces training costs and inefficiencies from pilots chasing bigger airframes. I see no real downside for the pilots other than back in the day when 747 Capts were making less than average while 72 guys were making more. I guess you could argue that our 74 guys now maybe a tad behind some topped out largest airframe rates at the pax airlines but as a 75 guy I'd bet I do quite a bit better than your average narrow body airline rate. I don't really pay that much attention to it. Also, I think our second year rates are better than most while our first year rates are super low. 180 and 47 respectively.
 
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First year, as I understand, is also significantly lower than any other major/legacy......and you get to do a day driving the brown truck :) After that, pretty legit, and it sounds like a slightly more "whole person" hiring culture than some other places which is cool.
 
DE727UPS said:
HAHA. They don't let you drive the truck. You are a drivers helper for a day. Supposed to instill in you humility and an understanding of the other side of the company. We are all just a bunch of widgets in the huge brown machine.
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Oh man, thats a cold blow.......dont even rate driving the truck???? haha. Ive heard FDX and UPS comparison described as FDX is an airplane company that owns trucks, and UPS is a truck company that owns jets.....any truth to that?
 
DE727UPS said:
HAHA. They don't let you drive the truck. You are a drivers helper for a day. Supposed to instill in you humility and an understanding of the other side of the company. We are all just a bunch of widgets in the huge brown machine.
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I spent two years loading UPS semi trailers in college. Nothing is easy on the ground side.
 
I thought the "package car" ride-along day was fun. It was non-stop for about 10 hours with no lunch break, a lot of "speed walking" and heavy lifting. It was kind of funny to see how concerned the customers were that it wasn't their usual UPS guy! They loved that dude! I happily took it over another day of death by power-point on corporate policies. Of course I'm still in the honeymoon period of the new job, so I'm sure my perspective is naive! I also would not want to do it every day.

I could throw out some numbers on what people tell me their W2's are like in various seats, but there is a lot consternation about a variety of things that would probably make doing so counter productive right now. I'll just that it seems like people on the international fleets are beating guarantee by about 30-40% whereas it's maybe closer to 10-20% on the domestics. Guarantee is 975 hours per year.
 
Alchemy said:
I thought the "package car" ride-along day was fun. It was non-stop for about 10 hours with no lunch break, a lot of "speed walking" and heavy lifting. It was kind of funny to see how concerned the customers were that it wasn't their usual UPS guy! They loved that dude! I happily took it over another day of death by power-point on corporate policies. Of course I'm still in the honeymoon period of the new job, so I'm sure my perspective is naive! I also would not want to do it every day.
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When I was there, everyone wanted to make it to the "feeder driver" position, aka the guys that drive the semi trucks you see on the highway. 8 hour days, no overnights, and they were clearing six figs pretty easily before OT. Not a bad gig.
 
Alchemy said:
Guarantee is 975 hours per year.
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Sounds busy, but in a good way. As a newly minted ATM written pass, me thinks that is 25 hours short of the FAA annual max...... :)

Also, have heard a lot of good things about UPS from folks I know who are generally new hires.
 
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