UPS MD-11
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gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Filling it up with water from an aerial refuelling tanker to balance out a jammed nose-up trim condition so the plane doesn’t climb to outer space.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Giggle.
Seriously thanks for saving me the trouble of having to say all of that.
You must not be stating that enough on here, if you have to constantly tell retelling everyone.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
Bragging rights
It's a tight fit in there and through that door, so not something I can access into the aircraft through when geared up, but could very well likely be an additional exit if needed, and if for some reason the sliding windows and escape ropes weren't available.
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
I'm no expert, but I don't think we have squat. I'm a 76 guy and KNOW I don't have squat but can't officially comment on the MD. That said, the pics Mike shows on Fedex MD11's isn't something I believe UPS has. It should also be noted that the claim that batteries caused the downing of flight 6, according to the battery lobby and the cargo airlines, was not officially proven, and therefore it did not happen. Have a nice day...
If you come into SDF, the Dlamp and Mbell arrivals are named for the flight 6 crew. I think that's pretty kewl.
If you come into SDF, the Dlamp and Mbell arrivals are named for the flight 6 crew. I think that's pretty kewl.
A300Capt
Freight Dawg
We only have active fire suppression in the belly cargo compartments (class C) on the MD’s with two metered fire bottles that can be shot into the aft or forward compartments.
Main cargo compartment have smoke and overheat detectors (class D) but no active fire suppression other than fire resistant cargo containers and the ability to shut off air to that area...which does little to fight a Lithium battery fire.
Main cargo compartment have smoke and overheat detectors (class D) but no active fire suppression other than fire resistant cargo containers and the ability to shut off air to that area...which does little to fight a Lithium battery fire.
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A300Capt
Freight Dawg
It is a tight fit and if the Capt’s seat is moved aft it becomes almost inaccessible. The A300 has a pretty nice E/E access door much like the MD only larger and not potentially blocked by the Capt’s seat. We always referred to it as the door to the lower wine cellar. It’s a French thing.....
jhugz
Well-Known Member
In the whale, if there’s not cargo on top of it we have a hatch with access to the E&E which then has access to the outside world. Our FME uses it for engine starts when we don’t have any ground staff available.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
So...it's a trucking company.
RetiredATLATC
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guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Forgive my ignorance, but I always thought it was batteries that started a fire which made it impossible for the crew to see anything. If that wasn't the cause of the accident, what was? Again, not trying to be argumentative, you got me curious to the actual cause. Thanks!
jhugz
Well-Known Member
I believe he’s being sarcastic. We all know that the LiOn batteries lit off and continued to burn. Lobbyists and airlines tried hard to spin the narrative into we don’t know what kind of fire could bring down a 74 with fire suppression activated but we can’t prove it was LiOn batteries. So we now can keep shipping unsafe amounts in cargo aircraft because no one cares that a couple freight dawgs died. Profits over safety.
z987k
Well-Known Member
So you've never been there, but your internet search says it's scary.
Might as well view the grand canyon from the safety of your computer screen to. I mean Detroit and Chicago probably had 5 murders last night.
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ge-lithium-batteries-suspected-some-accidents
(PRBA is the rechargeable battery association which is a lobby group in Washington DC. Members include three large cargo airlines)
"The PRBA also noted that it has yet to be proved that lithium batteries caused two of the key accidents the FAA cited in its report, the 2006 UPS DC-8 fire in Philadelphia and the UPS 747 crash in Dubai. “The FAA assumes that ‘bulk shipments of lithium batteries (primary and secondary)….were likely contributors to two of the freighter fire accidents that occurred on U.S.-registered airplanes.’ This assumption is unfounded. In fact, the NTSB’s report on the 2006 UPS airplane incident does not identify any ‘bulk shipments’ (e.g., pallets) of lithium ion or lithium metal batteries on board the aircraft. While it is true there were several large consignments of lithium batteries on the UPS plane involved in the Dubai incident, there is nothing in the UAE GCAA reports that indicates bulk shipments of lithium batteries were ‘likely contributors’ to the accident.”
(PRBA is the rechargeable battery association which is a lobby group in Washington DC. Members include three large cargo airlines)
"The PRBA also noted that it has yet to be proved that lithium batteries caused two of the key accidents the FAA cited in its report, the 2006 UPS DC-8 fire in Philadelphia and the UPS 747 crash in Dubai. “The FAA assumes that ‘bulk shipments of lithium batteries (primary and secondary)….were likely contributors to two of the freighter fire accidents that occurred on U.S.-registered airplanes.’ This assumption is unfounded. In fact, the NTSB’s report on the 2006 UPS airplane incident does not identify any ‘bulk shipments’ (e.g., pallets) of lithium ion or lithium metal batteries on board the aircraft. While it is true there were several large consignments of lithium batteries on the UPS plane involved in the Dubai incident, there is nothing in the UAE GCAA reports that indicates bulk shipments of lithium batteries were ‘likely contributors’ to the accident.”
Kekistan
Active Member
That pays better than most airlines....
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Go home, Nazi..
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
To be fair, you’re probably more likely to be killed on an overnight in Jamaica than in Baghdad. Humans are pretty terrible at assessing risk.
In case the keys are locked inside.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
Also, isn’t the chem trail SOV located in there?