UPS MD-11 crash at SDF

Saudi Aramco used to keep their DC-8 at IAH. Had a friend that rented airplanes from us that was an FE and A&P for Aramco. His schedule seemed to work like an ACMI carrier.
 
derg said:
Yes! Hijackings, strikes, bankruptcies, accidents, no CRM, sexual assaults, drunks flying airplanes, financial instability, babysitting, arguments, walking off a jet during probation because some captain made a joke about me being an “engin-N’word” and literally couldn’t figure out why I was offended and dared to knock his teeth out while being on probation.

“Son, you’re on probation”

“Lets have this chat in the CPO, I’m totally OK with that”
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I like the fact that you decided to turn this conversation into a HR issue. Respect.
 
MikeD said:
Used to watch the morning TWA L-1011 getting started up to launch out of the south gates of Terminal 3 each morning, just down from the cargo ramp where we were loading up. I imagine headed to STL. On cold mornings, the amount of smoke it would put out on engine start was impressive, and the low baritone noise of those Rolls 211s as they were starting up, was a sound to be experienced.
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Used to handle ATA's L10s when I worked gates in college. They used to shake the whole terminal when they'd crank up (IF they cranked up...it was always a crap shoot with them).
 
milleR said:
I don't remember the operator, but there were DC-8's operating out of BWI up to 2009-10. Loved watching those four smoke trails climbing out.
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2009 seems like yesterday to me. Got to watch (and do) a fair amount of flying mid-1960s thru1990, give or take - and just a bit after that. Eastern was still using Electras on their shuttle from BOS - NYC in those older days., I miss those loud smokey days and hours of plane watching from open air observation decks. Been a long-time since I last flew commercially, and it's not likely I'll do so again this time around. I live under the downwind to 17 at 44N and the final to 24 at POK and 27 at SWF, so the spotting is still good these days, albeit hugely different.

I still look up, though, every chance I get.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
2009 seems like yesterday to me. Got to watch (and do) a fair amount of flying mid-1960s thru1990, give or take - and just a bit after that. Eastern was still using Electras on their shuttle from BOS - NYC in those older days., I miss those loud smokey days and hours of plane watching from open air observation decks. Been a long-time since I last flew commercially, and it's not likely I'll do so again this time around. I live under the downwind to 17 at 44N and the final to 24 at POK and 27 at SWF, so the spotting is still good these days, albeit hugely different.

I still look up, though, every chance I get.
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They outlawed smoking and that was the beginning of the end. Safety over self responsibility. It started with smoking and has progressed and spread. Things you were never threatened by are now illegal, because of safety. You are not smart enough to maintain your well being and we're going to ensure you're safe, if you don't comply we'll arrest you. 1984 was a long time ago but it seems very current, the odd thing is both sides claim it. Orwell laid out a hellscape, perhaps he was correct and that is the eventual outcome. I don't know. Good luck to all of us.
 
Ah yes, bring back the good 'ol days of tar stained outflow valves

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I'm really glad I got to fly the G-III on and off for about 5 years. That thing was a screamer, the QTA hushkits were a paperwork exercise because the thing was loud AF. We still used the old 80s noise abatement procedures that Flight Safety was no longer able to officially teach, but someone snuck me their old pre-hushkit era manuals to see the profile. And they worked like a charm. Never got a violation including places like SNA, VNY, TEB, and many European airports. I did get a 10,000 Euro fine for violating curfew in Zurich but that was chicken• because we were Medevac. When I came to the airlines it was easy to relate to the older guys because I'd also flown a jet from that era. In a way I got to experience a bit of the old days but as a Millennial and with all the advances of modern flying in the 2010s like GPS, CRM, and EFBs. Although I did have to actually fly a DME arc in raw data one afternoon when we were getting GPS jammed and our ancient UNS-1 didn't have DME/DME reversion, but that's a story over drinks for another day.
 
luke3 said:
Never got a violation including places like SNA, VNY, TEB, and many European airports. I did get a 10,000 Euro fine for violating curfew in Zurich but that was chicken• because we were Medevac.
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I was always of a mind that "noise violations" via local ordinances were the Company's problem. The FAA can end my career tomorrow, whereas the rich bastard homeowner's association probably can't spell "airplane", and they sure as hell aren't coming after me in any meaningful way. Obviously I try to comply, because that's, you know, "being a good neighbor/employee", but if we fly the profile and the NIMBY-monitor goes off anyway? Oh well, where are we going for dinner?

I've watched a couple of guys panic because they levelled off under FL07 going in to CGN and then proceed to do very dumb stuff to "fix" it. The correct answer is "oops, sorry, but we're stable and about to land safely, put it on the tab."
 
luke3 said:
I'm really glad I got to fly the G-III on and off for about 5 years. That thing was a screamer, the QTA hushkits were a paperwork exercise because the thing was loud AF. We still used the old 80s noise abatement procedures that Flight Safety was no longer able to officially teach, but someone snuck me their old pre-hushkit era manuals to see the profile. And they worked like a charm. Never got a violation including places like SNA, VNY, TEB, and many European airports. I did get a 10,000 Euro fine for violating curfew in Zurich but that was chicken• because we were Medevac. When I came to the airlines it was easy to relate to the older guys because I'd also flown a jet from that era. In a way I got to experience a bit of the old days but as a Millennial and with all the advances of modern flying in the 2010s like GPS, CRM, and EFBs. Although I did have to actually fly a DME arc in raw data one afternoon when we were getting GPS jammed and our ancient UNS-1 didn't have DME/DME reversion, but that's a story over drinks for another day.
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So were you all “Hay gurl, let’s gulfstream ‘n chill…” :)
 
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