Unusual Attitudes

At the same time I started my CFI coursework, I did a little aerobatic training. Not cheap, but money well spent. Previously, I got a little nervous at bank angles 60 degrees and above and pitch angles above 30 Degrees. Going all the way around, both around the lateral and the horizontal axis...best thing I ever did. Keep in mind, all of my aerobatics training ended with snap rolls at the end of every flight and it caused me to feel like I was going to vomit...every time. Still ...totally worth it.
 
adk said:
One of the best ways to put the plane into an unusual attitude smoothly is to do it yourself. With your head down and eyes closed, have your instructor tell you to enter into various turns, climbs, and descents. Bonus points if he/she can sneakily change the trim without you noticing. The result will be that you only move at a speed you're comfortable with and you will definitely wind up in an unusual attitude.
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This is how I have my students do UAs. Head down and to the right, right hand on the floor (as if they are looking for something, but with their eyes closed). 90% of the time they put themselves into steep spirals after a few minutes.
 
ahsmatt7 said:
Well the first few flights of my training i felt the same way and it stopped. I have not had a problem with it since which equates to 31 fun filled non ill feeling hours. However, today I went under the hood for the second time. (no problems there because I felt fine) Then we went and did for gos of unusual attitudes and that's when I started feeling sick. This is the first time since the very beginning of my training.
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You know, come to think of it, I may have gotten sick the first few times under the hood as well. I was just out of getting my PPL when I started my IR. This too shall pass. Don't worry about it in the slightest.
 
i got real queasy the first time ever in real IMC. like, green in the face definitely. youll get used to it pretty quick though! now things like turbulence and IMC are just like rocking a babies' cradle!
 
I hate unusual attitudes. I have flown with instructors who take you on some crazy make you want to puke ride and some who are gentle and not uber aggressive. I found the more i do them the more tolerable they become, both the yank and bank ones and the smoother ones. Not so sure i will ever like them completely though.
 
bksslc said:
I hate unusual attitudes. I have flown with instructors who take you on some crazy make you want to puke ride and some who are gentle and not uber aggressive. I found the more i do them the more tolerable they become, both the yank and bank ones and the smoother ones. Not so sure i will ever like them completely though.
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I never understood that. Ive flown with people who get all jerky on the controls, and some, including DPE's who just set the plane and have you recover. They latter is just as effective and decreases the chances of having to clean up the aircraft afterwards.
 
I really liked the way my private pilot DPE did it. He had me put my head down and close my eyes and he would say "turn left", so I'd turn left. Then he'd say "roll out of the turn" and I'd do that. Then he'd say "start a climb" and I'd do that. Then "start a turn" and I'd do that.

Then when he says "recover" and you're nose low, you're like "way whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?"

But it was really smooth that way.

-mini
 
My favorite method when I instructed was to say "start a climbing left turn."

*student starts a climbing left turn*

"No, I said a left turn."

Aaaaand recover. :)
 
I literally threw up my first 2 lessons. I felt like crap for days, that's what it seemed like anyway. I always put my students thru the ringer. Recover in the top end of a wingover after 2 45 degree bank turns or at the top of a wingover. Always head down and eyes closed. I made sure they were ok. After an UnA I always ask how they are feeling. It's the only time a CFI gets to have a good time. All in all it's help me get over that sickness. Up and down in mod to severe chop, caught in LL WWs. Oh well. Fix it. It's a learning experiance at it's best. I'll tell you I'm glad my CFI for my PPL did what he did. I wouldn't be the pilot I am today without it. He also knew when to say enuf is enuf. That's one thing you do learn as s CFI among a billoion other things.
 
I think the benefit to the more subltle unusual attitude teqchinque is it's more realistic. The one time i did get into one it was a dark night, no horizon for outside reference and when i looked at the attitude indicator i was like WTF!!! How did i get like this? All those unusual attitudes i practiced paid off too, recovered without even thinking about it. Kinda cool how that happens.
 
dasleben said:
My favorite method when I instructed was to say "start a climbing left turn."

*student starts a climbing left turn*

"No, I said a left turn."

Aaaaand recover. :)
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That is EXCELLENT!

You are safely messing with their mind, not their inner ear, to the same effect.
The effectiveness of that is you are introducing them to the "God! I don't know which way is up! Where the heck am i?" thought process to the point they don't trust their body sensations--which is exactly what you want to accomplish.


I have written down your post and added it to my lesson plans.

thx.

b.
 
beasly, just a question: why do you always feel the need to sign your posts, when its clearly marked to the left, who the post has been made by....?

(dont take it as an attack, more of me just seeing it and going "wtf?" like a confused puppydog)
 
I will be doing them again in a couple of days. I am actually excited after hearing I wasn't the only one who felt like this.
 
TXaviator said:
beasly, just a question: why do you always feel the need to sign your posts, when its clearly marked to the left, who the post has been made by....?

(dont take it as an attack, more of me just seeing it and going "wtf?" like a confused puppydog)
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Thx Tx.

I am kinda new to this whole internety-forumy-stuff so I am still learning.

The "Cordially b" stuff is habit from the zillions of email I type.

I did not realize its redundant on a forum.

I gotta tell you, though, it is really tough not to type "Cordially, b" at the end of this post.
:eek:
 
beasly said:
Thx Tx.

I am kinda new to this whole internety-forumy-stuff so I am still learning.

The "Cordially b" stuff is habit from the zillions of email I type.

I did not realize its redundant on a forum.

I gotta tell you, though, it is really tough not to type "Cordially, b" at the end of this post.
:eek:
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resist!

haha ok i gotcha, though admittedly, i tend to look past your username and directly at the ta-tas on that gal in the pic!! :drool:
 
TXaviator said:
beasly, just a question: why do you always feel the need to sign your posts, when its clearly marked to the left, who the post has been made by....?
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Just a question: Why does it bother folks on this forum so much? Moreso than any other forum I frequent. Have we run out of things to worry about or is it something else I'm not seeing?

-mini
 
minitour said:
Just a question: Why does it bother folks on this forum so much? Moreso than any other forum I frequent. Have we run out of things to worry about or is it something else I'm not seeing?

-mini
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Focus on the Ta-Ta's...

Cordially,

Oh! Damn!
 
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