Unprecedented Movement at Southernjets

BobDDuck said:
There's lots of people who have lived in the NY Metro area (or reasonable commuting distance from it) for years and have established lives that are a good fit with all the things you just mentioned. A job based in NYC is a great thing for them. I know @sorrygottarunway is missing his malasadas, but happy that he's living in the Big City again, and I'm sure, even though @Rocketman99 likes his new gig, he'd be happy if they had a NYC base with good seniority. That's the great thing about this industry... there's something for everyone.
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Yeah, I grew up with all the "pains" that people generally gripe about New York- the traffic is annoying, and it is definitely crowded, but you have to know how to "get into your travel bubble" and always be willing to changeup the plan. Anyhow, RE: NYC- That cliche saying of "one mans trash is another mans treasure" holds true for the NYC base- there are a lot of local people here that take advantage of the movement- in fact, that was one of the factors for me to make my jump back to home- I knew I'd have equal "relative seniority" in-base in fairly short order, and be financially on par as well. Flying day trips to Florida with other local NYC captains, it feels like flying "interisland" (or the Southernjets equivalent, "the shuttle"). But as for peoples grips about NYC, I totally understand. This is definitely not an easy place to live and one tires of the excuse "well, its just NY." Hawaii also had its frustrations to go along with the beauty. As @BobDDuck said, there's something for everyone, and because of our ability to use aircraft to fly to work, one does not necessarily have to live NYC to work NYC.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
If things don't pan out in SEA (according to some people here #AlaskaiswinninginSEA) we are moving to NY to be close to the in laws and drive to NYC. I would have no issues with that either, I like it out there outside of the city.
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Whoa whoa whoa! You like to visit. Living there full time is a whole other way of life. Big O can't have stewies everyday.

Also Alaska is DOMINATING in SFO. Right @Seggy? ;)
 
JDean3204 said:
I could be way off on this assumption but here it goes...

I think NYC is so junior because it is a lousy place to live and raise a family. The CoL is way high, the traffic is horrible and the rush of the city and surrounding suburbs is not linear with most people's way of life. So most who are based in NYC commute, which at times can be a tricky commute especially if you're based in NYC which entails multiple airports in the vicinity. If the goal is to live in base once at a major, I'm guessing NYC is not a popular base on that logic. Again, I could be way off. I know @Cherokee_Cruiser lives in the area and probably would provide a rebuttal to this post.
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All I can add as having lived in both the SFO and NYC areas, is that (IMO) NYC has much better and affordable areas to live in with good QOL/schools within 45 minute to 1.5 hr drive from NYC. Places like in CT and NJ. In SFO you'd have to go well into East Bay (and beyond) to get anything close to a decent deal, but even then you're still stuck with CA's horrendous taxes.
 
JordanD said:
NYC must be awful in every category
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There's not much good about NYC on the domestic side. I had phat seniority on the 320 there and the minimum that would get me back there would be 80% on the 330 captain seat. And that ain't happening.
 
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Lawman said:
So if I'm to understand what I'm reading....

Those are the total amount of time average in service at that airline before you reach enough seniority to expect to receive that job/position? Like after 1 year and 9 months you can get to be an FO on Jet XXX out of KXXX?


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Correct, so it's true for those hired 1 yr 9 mos ago. May or may not be true for those hired today. But based on retirements alone, probably a pretty safe bet it will continue, barring AOG stuff.
 
Cptnchia said:
Some people jus wanna believe what they wanna believe.
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Looking at the bottom 10% of various categories doesn't do much for me. It's "nice to know" type stuff.

It's a novelty to see such junior awards but in the same way that #1 on a 717 f/o position has 20 years. They're both anomalies.

For me, the demographic I look at through various categories of any airline is, what does it take to hit about 50% on something.

That's around where one can filter out anything they don't like on their line, yet still have schedule control of days off. Or, be less picky about trips but get a lot of weekends off if that's what they want. And up around halfway through category is around where the people who never care about weekends off, and also don't care about 22:00 release times etc., can get an awesome schedule by virtue of their flexibility.

Nice to see that being approximately 50% in more than just a few categories, is now attainable in the first 2-3 years. That is a sign that times are a changin.'

The numbers don't lie -- the wave has begun to swell.
 
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