Seggy
Well-Known Member
A) Scope Choke is working
B) In the initial communications concerning these talks, scope was an item to NOT be discussed.
United Pilots reach Agreement in Principle
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A) Scope Choke is working
B) In the initial communications concerning these talks, scope was an item to NOT be discussed.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Is it working, really? You guys keep buying new seventy-five seaters, for the likes of Mesa and SKYW.Fifty seaters are goin away, yes. But it just seems to be more of a swap out of fifty seaters for seventy seaters. So while yes there is less regional glut out there absent fifty seaters, the regionals are just getting newer plans that fly longer/farther. And less "regional" than the planes they're replacing.
xdashdriver
Well-Known Member
The number of 76 seaters they can outsource is limited, much lower than the # of 50 seaters. In fact, they've pretty much reached the limit already. The only relaxation that can happen is if they bring the E190/CS100 onto their own certificate. Then again, the number of 76 seaters is capped at a hard number.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Yep! It is working! The above post explains it nicely.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I think this is the opposite issue. The concern isn't that the MEC will sign something without the membership getting a chance to vote on it but rather that the MEC will kill this without letting the membership vote on it.
EDIT: I see Seggy already posted this answer. nevermind.
Jay Rogers
Member
Thanks for sharing this news.
I appreciate the hard work of the company and union negotiating.
I appreciate the hard work of the company and union negotiating.
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
"If" it was junk, wouldn't you want the MEC to can it?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
It's a little more involved than that. One mans trash, and all that jazz.
skyw82
Well-Known Member
When we were voting on our JCBA they had comparisons from different airlines and I was surprised to see that 50-70 seats is another category outside of the 76 seat limit.
Can they add more of those 66 seat crj-700s?
xdashdriver
Well-Known Member
There's a hard limit on the number of 70+76 seaters they can have too. I believe this is actually the number they are currently running up against...so no, they couldn't add 66 seaters.
doubleo6point9
Well-Known Member
Another numbers example of scope choke at United doing its job is this: UAL can have a max of 255 (could be off by a few on this) total RJ's in the UAX system. They can bring that number up to a total of 325 (what I believe DAL allows total) but to bring that number up to 325 then United would have to bring the New Small Narrow Bodies to mainline and actually have them on property and ready to fly with United pilots. I don't recall the ratios of NSNB's to RJ's but it would mean significant growth on the United side with regards to pilots.
United is pretty much at or very close to the 255 and because they're unable to add anymore RJ's the company has pretty much resorted to buying the used 319's we've heard about to cover the flying. In the end due to the scope choke, United is stuck between having to decide if they want some used First Gen E190/195's or waiting a few years for the Second Gen 190/195's/CS100's or adding 319's to cover that flying instead. The other issue is will United have the patience or time to wait a few years for a NSNB and if not are they willing to go with some used 190/195's that are available or can they find enough 319's to fill the gap for now?
Either way, scope choke is working and it's a win win for both mainline and regional pilots.
United is pretty much at or very close to the 255 and because they're unable to add anymore RJ's the company has pretty much resorted to buying the used 319's we've heard about to cover the flying. In the end due to the scope choke, United is stuck between having to decide if they want some used First Gen E190/195's or waiting a few years for the Second Gen 190/195's/CS100's or adding 319's to cover that flying instead. The other issue is will United have the patience or time to wait a few years for a NSNB and if not are they willing to go with some used 190/195's that are available or can they find enough 319's to fill the gap for now?
Either way, scope choke is working and it's a win win for both mainline and regional pilots.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
They can be from folks who can speak about your character. Doesn't matter who they are.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I have attached the documents.
Here is also a video link...
https://vimeo.com/user13985327/review/149189960/2c11225e47
I think this will easily pass 70%. It is a good deal and will be voting yes.
grkero
fer yer health
Wow that's great to hear.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
No idea!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
If I had to take a WAG, I'd wager that which airframe they bring on board will depend on their planned implementation schedule. I imagine you can get an EMB-190 on property in a few weeks to start a new program, and then you can likely start funneling them into your program pretty quickly, with E2's coming online as soon as they're available.
The C-Series? Not so much. Oh and additionally, you'd have to roll with the punches of being the first major operator of the aircraft.
Again, just a WAG.
