United hiring by Fall 2012

My friend who is furloughed UAL (one of the most junior furloughed guys) has been called back and is going into CAL ground school in September. If he's been called back, then they're obviously very close to street hiring. Lots of UAL furloughees are bypassing recall to the CAL side in favor of waiting for a UAL side opening, so there will be opportunities for newhires.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
Soooo United is or isn't hiring this fall?
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+1,Thats the topic this thread is for. Take the politics to the Lav or PM guys! 1/2 this thread is not even close to the topic.

ATN_Pilot said:
My friend who is furloughed UAL (one of the most junior furloughed guys) has been called back and is going into CAL ground school in September. If he's been called back, then they're obviously very close to street hiring. Lots of UAL furloughees are bypassing recall to the CAL side in favor of waiting for a UAL side opening, so there will be opportunities for newhires.
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Thats good to hear!
 
Seggy said:
Can you expand on that comment? Before you do, are you familar with the NMB rule change?
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Yes I am familiar with the rule change. But that doesn't do jack squat to help airline unions or any union for that matter, in actual negotiations. It only helps a group of workers get a union on property.


Past that, I don't see a single thing Obama has done to help any labor groups, unionized or not. The rule change by the NMB doesn't do anything, because unions don't have near the power they used to
 
The NMB under President Obama:

Spirit - strike, new CBA, big improvements
Amerijet - strike, new CBA, big improvements
Alaska - new CBA, big improvements
AirTran - new CBA, big improvements
Hawaiian - new CBA, big improvements
Delta - new CBA, moderately big improvements
Pinnacle - new CBA, big improvements
Commutair - first CBA, moderate improvements
and the list goes on.....

Anyone who says this president and his NMB haven't changed things drastically for the better hasn't been paying attention.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
My friend who is furloughed UAL (one of the most junior furloughed guys) has been called back and is going into CAL ground school in September. If he's been called back, then they're obviously very close to street hiring. Lots of UAL furloughees are bypassing recall to the CAL side in favor of waiting for a UAL side opening, so there will be opportunities for newhires.
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We have a fair amount of UAL furloughs at SkyW who would rather stay in the right seat of an RJ and drive to work rather than commute to crappy CAL reserve rules & bases. Can't blame them.

Doesn't seem right to hire off the street when you can't get your JCBA figured out. I hope they get this crap figured out and properly recall everyone to the combined UAL before hiring. Might be far fetched, but just my two pennies.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The NMB under President Obama:

Spirit - strike, new CBA, big improvements
Amerijet - strike, new CBA, big improvements
Alaska - new CBA, big improvements
AirTran - new CBA, big improvements
Hawaiian - new CBA, big improvements
Delta - new CBA, moderately big improvements
Pinnacle - new CBA, big improvements
Commutair - first CBA, moderate improvements
and the list goes on.....

Anyone who says this president and his NMB haven't changed things drastically for the better hasn't been paying attention.
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If you actually believe it is because of the sitting president that we have a new and improved collective bargaining process in place you are not paying attention. I suggest you ask the pilots of COMAIR how well they are doing under the "regime".
 
BE19Pilot said:
If you actually believe it is because of the sitting president that we have a new and improved collective bargaining process in place you are not paying attention. I suggest you ask the pilots of COMAIR how well they are doing under the "regime".
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I've dealt directly with the NMB quite regularly. Have you? I've seen the change, and it's significant. By bringing up Comair, you indicate just how uneducated you are about the process. Comair is not in negotiations overseen by the NMB. The government has no oversight of the Comair situation whatsoever. If you want to point fingers in that situation, point them at ruthless Delta managers.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The president doesn't care about labor? Where do you people come up with this crap?
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Come on man let's not pretend that one party is pro labor and one party is anti labor. What we have is one party is openly anti labor and the other party is just a little less anti labor and isn't as open about it.
 
Gonzo said:
Come on man let's not pretend that one party is pro labor and one party is anti labor. What we have is one party is openly anti labor and the other party is just a little less anti labor and isn't as open about it.
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How about,

One party that knows that labor is never going to support them, and another party who takes labor's support for granted.
 
The only influence the NMB had on the Delta TA was the threat to park us like AA. According to the cheerleaders, we were warned not to ask for too much, because we wouldn't be allowed to access self help. That sounds like interference and strongarmery to me. Obama will not let a legacy struke on his watch. And please don't trot out Spirit. Kudos to them, but in the big scheme, they are small potatoes.
 
Cptnchia said:
The only influence the NMB had on the Delta TA was the threat to park us like AA.
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You really think you would have gotten that TA if the Bush NMB had still been in place? Keep dreaming. Under the Bush NMB, it was understood by everyone that no one was allowed to strike, and the Board would be providing zero pressure on management to help labor. So, management got the picture really quick and took those 8 years as an opportunity to stonewall and keep their costs the same (or lower). With the Obama NMB, there is always the thought in the back of management's mind that these pro-labor NMB guys might actually help out labor. To short-circuit that possibility, they negotiate more quickly and try to reach a deal rather than get to the deadlock that could lead to a release.

According to the cheerleaders, we were warned not to ask for too much, because we wouldn't be allowed to access self help.
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That's what the NMB says out of one side of their mouth to your negotiators, and then goes back to the company and talks out of the other side of their mouth telling them that they'd better be careful and negotiate in good faith, otherwise the Board might have to act. It's a scheme designed to create uncertainty so both sides are motivated to bargain in good faith. And it's a scheme that works really well.

And please don't trot out Spirit. Kudos to them, but in the big scheme, they are small potatoes.
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Two things:

1. Tell that to the hundreds of pilots at Spirit, along with their families. I'm sure they think of themselves as "small potatoes."

2. That attitude is exactly what created the problem in the mid-2000s. The reason that you ended up taking such massive concessions was because the delta (no pun intended) between the small carrier CBAs and the big carrier CBAs was so large. When one 737 captain makes $230/hr, and the other 737 captain makes $125/hr, something is going to give. By focusing equal priority on every carrier, and making sure that that delta doesn't get too big again, we can prevent a situation where bankruptcy judges are looking at the compensation packages of different carriers and seeing competitive disadvantages for the legacy carriers, leading to concessions.
 
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