United has the highest rate of pet deaths

ChasenSFO said:
I remember once a soldier was flying a combat vet German Sheppard from FRA-SFO-RNO. It had a huge kennel, and the SFO-RNO segment was a CRJ-200. No way it was going to fit. Mainline United rolled up with it and I said no way Jose. The guy called his supervisor and they said just to bring the dog back and close the flight. Both myself and the mainline ramper were appalled by that, "Well, what about the passenger?". "The flight is going to take a delay if he gets off, we can get the dog to Reno by tonight".

OK. No. We took the delay, the pax got off, which is when I learned about the dog's profession and that he actually knew what a CRJ was and argued in FRA that it probably wouldn't fit in the plane and the UA agents there insisted it would fit in "All United Aircraft" and they would not allow it in the cabin for an international longhaul trip for whatever reason(is that standard?). The Skywest manager, in contrast, refunded his entire ticket and gave him a $150 credit on UA for the trouble. They also helped him rent a car.

The way people think, D:0 is like freggin heroine to a lot of these airline folks.
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We had one on orders couldnt get his bag in overhead and - wait before I get going this isn't a damn dog story- needed it for work. I finally get figured out what he meant by work so we took a delay while we figured out what he could keep in plane and what could get slung under the belly and rolled out with 8min delay. 3 phone calls clarifying the delay next morning at 7 or 8. D:0 is important but i dont mind the calls and no discipline as a result. Pilots pretend like getting a phone call from base management is akin to pee pee touching (bad kind).

SeanD said:
When did traveling with dogs on airlines become so mainstream? It wasn't a thing not too long ago.
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Some of it was airlines charging more for pets in rear. Some of it is lots of people giving up on people and accepting dogs as their true salvation and reason for living. I prefer human children, because they are better than dogs.
 
SeanD said:
When did traveling with dogs on airlines become so mainstream? It wasn't a thing not too long ago.
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While there are legit service animals out there, people are exploiting the soft areas of the program and making their pet a service animal. Thus the increase in service cats, hogs, peacock, etc.

It isn’t just airlines, people are bringing their pets to more and more places these days. Whether they are service animals or not and businesses want the business rather than the negative press of “Coffee shop kicks our grandmother over chihuahua.” headlines.

That and it is the newest sensational news story so we are all paying attention to it.


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United is temporarily suspending their pet cargo program through at least April 30: https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-suspends-cargo-program-for-pets-1521550841

Under fire for its handling of pets, United Continental Holdings Inc . UAL +0.54% will stop taking reservations for its live-animal shipping program at least until May 1 while it reviews the program.

In 2017, United had 18 pets die while being shipped in the cargo compartment under its “PetSafe’’ program, according to Transportation Department data. That was double the number of deaths in 2016 for United, and three times as many deaths as American, Delta and Alaska airlines recorded collectively last year. United says almost all the deaths were attributed by medical experts to factors outside the airline’s control.

United will continue to transport animals with existing reservations during the program’s suspension. A spokesman said the review would be conducted with independent animal-safety experts.

The review doesn’t affect the transport of animals in airplane cabins. That program was already placed under review after the death last week of a dog placed in an overhead bin at the order of a flight attendant on a Houston-to-New York flight. United said its rules don’t allow animals to be placed in overhead bins, which have little air circulation, and apologized for the incident.

That same week, a dog shipped under “PetSafe’’ was mistakenly routed to Japan instead of Kansas. United apologized for that incident as well.

Chicago-based United said it would assist any customer wishing to cancel a PetSafe reservation during the review period. United expects to complete the review by May 1, but hasn’t determined when it will start taking new reservations.

“We are deeply committed to the safety and comfort of the animals and pets in our care,’’ United said in a statement. The review will lead to “improvements that will ensure the best possible experience for our customers and their pets.’’

United is the largest carrier of animals among U.S. airlines, accounting for almost a quarter of the animals transported in cargo holds and in cabins last year that accumulated passenger fees, according to the Transportation Department.

Write to Scott McCartney at middleseat@wsj.com
 
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CFI A&P said:
While there are legit service animals out there, people are exploiting the soft areas of the program and making their pet a service animal. Thus the increase in service cats, hogs, peacock, etc.

It isn’t just airlines, people are bringing their pets to more and more places these days. Whether they are service animals or not and businesses want the business rather than the negative press of “Coffee shop kicks our grandmother over chihuahua.” headlines.

That and it is the newest sensational news story so we are all paying attention to it.


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I agree, go down to the strip mall by my house and see how many dogs are in Target, Home Goods, Home Depot, etc. because there is a PetSmart right there as well. People just can't leave poor fluffy at home while they go out and get more food? I love my dogs but they stay home when I run errands.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Not sure you've ever actually met a dog...
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Well there's a beagle within a few feetof me in front of daughters room.

I dont know if this dogs>people began because people are so sick of other people, but it was cute for a little while and even edgy, but it's run it's course.

Not that I blame this black lab I'm about to talk about, but it thinks my daughters hair and face is a chewy toy. At first we thought, "ok it's got a thing for the hair thing," and we never left her alone with dog. Dog was close outside one time and went after her face, pony tail in back. Maybe there was a loose strand, he didn't get close enough.

Now my grandfather would just put the dog down, get a new dog. My father would have given a dog back to the pound, not even a dog owner, still a generation difference and same dog is dead v back safe at pound, given a second shot. I'm still in that camp, but a dog lover at the party (thought lab was mine) was trying to figure out 100 ways to train the dog not to bite my kid. Cool, no hate, but sorry if that was my dog time to find a new home fido.

Buddy of mine finally put his shepard down after the third or fourth attack on his wife and mother. The dog even got "brain pills" to help with its attack, thousands spent on a group south if memphis somewhere that only works with german shepards.

Somewhere along the path the dogs got elevated in you all's head to this level. Im on a different planet where a pet is still just a pet.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Well there's a beagle within a few feetof me in front of daughters room.

I dont know if this dogs>people began because people are so sick of other people, but it was cute for a little while and even edgy, but it's run it's course.

Not that I blame this black lab I'm about to talk about, but it thinks my daughters hair and face is a chewy toy. At first we thought, "ok it's got a thing for the hair thing," and we never left her alone with dog. Dog was close outside one time and went after her face, pony tail in back. Maybe there was a loose strand, he didn't get close enough.

Now my grandfather would just put the dog down, get a new dog. My father would have given a dog back to the pound, not even a dog owner, still a generation difference and same dog is dead v back safe at pound, given a second shot. I'm still in that camp, but a dog lover at the party (thought lab was mine) was trying to figure out 100 ways to train the dog not to bite my kid. Cool, no hate, but sorry if that was my dog time to find a new home fido.

Buddy of mine finally put his shepard down after the third or fourth attack on his wife and mother. The dog even got "brain pills" to help with its attack, thousands spent on a group south if memphis somewhere that only works with german shepards.

Somewhere along the path the dogs got elevated in you all's head to this level. Im on a different planet where a pet is still just a pet.
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I think you're just underestimating my extreme dislike for human children rather than my love for dogs
 
NovemberEcho said:
I think you're just underestimating my extreme dislike for human children rather than my love for dogs
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I don't think I'm underestimating, i used to say similar stuff, and i knew I was joking because i always wanted kids and others weren't kidding at all. It's just weird that a dog you train and has been bred for obedience (and weird noses too apparently) replaced that for you all.

Weird to me anyhow.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I don't think I'm underestimating, i used to say similar stuff, and i knew I was joking because i always wanted kids and others weren't kidding at all. It's just weird that a dog you train and has been bred for obedience (and weird noses too apparently) replaced that for you all.

Weird to me anyhow.
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I knew there was a reason I liked you besides the monkey avatar.
 
Yeah but I'm not joking. I'll cross the street to avoid walking near a kid.
jynxyjoe said:
I don't think I'm underestimating, i used to say similar stuff, and i knew I was joking because i always wanted kids and others weren't kidding at all. It's just weird that a dog you train and has been bred for obedience (and weird noses too apparently) replaced that for you all.

Weird to me anyhow.
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If someone doesn't like kids what's weird about them liking something else more?
 
NovemberEcho said:
Yeah but I'm not joking. I'll cross the street to avoid walking near a kid.


If someone doesn't like kids what's weird about them liking something else more?
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hey man no prob kids arent for everyone. I had guys like that in college ans afterwards. I joked but i honestly love kids.

Its the obiedence thing that weirds me out. Its not a free thinker and for the most part and they are a subservient obiedient companion. I write for fun and i try to find hidden little meanings in everything. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Its just weird though, with sex robots coming out, generations of kids disentangling themselves from long term relationships and striking out in their own direction (which is fine), i get a little uncomfortable how much people drift towards a no conflict relationship with non humans.

Anyway, I get dogs are important to people, I'm empathetic they are upset by the dogs dieing needlessly but I don't go to the rage out zones of crazy like it was a dead child. In fact humanizing a dog always seems to be tied to dehumanizing a human. That creeps me out a little, and its not every dog lover/owner, just a few zealots and its standing out to me a little more every day.

Who knows, maybe I'm just getting senile. Maybe we can all agree cats are awful and should be give to the chinese places to turn into chicken or dropped off in the woods to be eaten by wild dogs. Ok, put down the keyboard, I'm backing away slowly. Unless you're all coming to clap in- nope nope, ok, no bad ideas in a brain storming session. Cya- I'll see myself out!
 
jynxyjoe said:
Maybe we can all agree cats are awful and should be give to the chinese places to turn into chicken or dropped off in the woods to be eaten by wild dogs.
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well this at least we can agree on. cats rank about the same as children on my scale of things i find distasteful
 
CFI A&P said:
While there are legit service animals out there, people are exploiting the soft areas of the program and making their pet a service animal. Thus the increase in service cats, hogs, peacock, etc.

It isn’t just airlines, people are bringing their pets to more and more places these days. Whether they are service animals or not and businesses want the business rather than the negative press of “Coffee shop kicks our grandmother over chihuahua.” headlines.

That and it is the newest sensational news story so we are all paying attention to it.


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Yeah I've been noticing a lot more dogs in places like Starbucks. I love dogs but I've never walked into a place of business and said "Oh awesome, someone brought their Pomeranian. How friggin cute"
 
I love my dog. Had kids and love them more than the dog. I think my kids love the dog more than me. The dog loves me the most in my house. It’s a vicious cycle. And yes, cats are evil and would eat you alive if given the chance.
 
ChasenSFO said:
The way people think, D:0 is like freggin heroine to a lot of these airline folks.
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Unfortunately it seems to be to be the primary stat airlines care about. Corporate talks about teamwork and then a fosters a war between work groups by pushing D:0 ahead of nearly everything else. CCP and A:14 is all that really matters as that is what directly changes a paying customers day.

So far I have had only two dogs. The third couldn't fit in the -200. AA got the pax and dog on a mainline flight to a nearby destination instead.
 
Derg said:
If a flight attendant said to throw your dog out of the galley door, would you? Of course not.

And if I gotta get off the jet, I'm going to get off the jet.
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I don't know, there was a young woman who flushed a hamster down the toilet at the airport so she could fly because they wouldn't allow a hamster onboard.


Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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