Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I'd say that bill bettered the profession,wouldn't you?
Unions are stupid... Mesaba screwed
- Thread starter Timbuff10
- Start date
I'd say that bill bettered the profession,wouldn't you?
higney85
Property of Scheduling
Ok, kinda back onto-off topic here with mesaba... Fact of the matter here is that it doesn't look like they will be around too much longer- What happens if they liquidate? Who gets the flying? I know they have some EAS routes- do those get rebid and in the mean time do not get served?
BrettInLJ
Well-Known Member
The scarier thought is what if after a good portion of the pilot group leaves for greener pastures, they hire a bunch of extremely low time pilots that are willing to work anywhere for anything. Then, they survive with a weaker pilot group and now the standard has been set lower. That sets a precedent in the industry and the downard spiral continues. Of course, the other possibility is that the financial hemmoraging continues and they go belly up. Not a good scenario either way. I am really bummed about this ruling and hope the issue of companies using bankruptcy law recklessly becomes a political issue. Somone call Lou Dobbs... this is an attack on the American middle class! BTW, there is informational picketing on Thursday in MSP, DTW, and MEM to support Mesaba pilots.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
If people leave in groves the company won't have time to hire & retrain pilots before they go belly up! Think 2-3 days would do it in for them.
Then thats all she wrote for Mesaba!
BrettInLJ
Well-Known Member
Assuming they leave before they have jobs lined up. I'm sure they have resumes out, but even if they have interview dates, getting a class can be a slow process. Leaving in droves would be effective. If there was enough hiring out there by ALPA represented airlines, they could and probably would be given preferential hiring. Which leads back to the original topic/thread subject... thank goodness the union is around!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Spanjers is probably rubbing off a wet one tonight for his victory in court...
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
tonyw
Well-Known Member
Plus, it would be difficult to blame the democrats for any legislation that has come out of the Congress for the past six years seeing how Dennis Hastert is on record as saying that if it can't pass with only republican votes, he's not interested in the legislation.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
:yeahthat:
I don't feel too sorry for people who were living on borrowed time instead of planning properly and living within their means.
If you need the housing market to continue to go up by 10-15 percent a year in order to continue making ends meet, you're in over your head and you've got only yourself to blame!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Heard a couple of weeks ago that ALPA was working on arranging job fairs and job help for these guys. They've worked out preferential hiring agreements with ALPA carriers for airlines that have gone under in the past, don't see why they can't do that again. I'm HOPING that Mesaba guys would leave in droves instead of sticking around for the sub-standard wages and benefits, but everyone has to make that decision for themselves....
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
How's that MAPD application process going btw...
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the posts in the FSA forums.
In a nutshell, I decided against PACE(MAPD) for a multitude of reasons.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
Or we could just look back to the early 1990s when Bill Clinton was in office and the democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. They only managed to lay the groundwork for the longest economic expansion in the history of the United States AND trillions of dollars in surpluses which would have eliminated all the national debt on the books.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Check the smileys...I was just bein an ass!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Sorry, I did miss the smiley faces. Alright, it's all good
lostplanetairman
Well-Known Member
I can envision this going to the US Supreme Court--US Bankruptcy laws v. RLA.
seagull
Well-Known Member
I already did prove it, you're just too locked into your opinion to pay attention to any facts. As for NAFTA, I never stated I was against it, but I will say that it is often trumpeted as bad for labor, as is the deregulation act and most other major legislation that is considered anti labor.
The proof is in the books or via google. You are either very young, or just like to stir the pot. Either way, I don't debate with bricks, got better things to do with my time. Your opinion will change when you mature most likely.
seagull
Well-Known Member
A lot of truth in what you write. In the long term, basic economic principles will straighten this out, but that doesn't do much good to those who are in the middle of it all, sadly.
seagull
Well-Known Member
Actually, if you look at the numbers, the economy didn't start picking up until the Republicans got control of Congress. Oh, but in this case the democrats had "laid the groundwork", eh? But that's not what happened when GW got elected?
Contrary to you, I don't claim to be impressed with the Republicans particularly at all. In fact, if everyone here was arguing about how great they were, then I'd take the opposite side, because that wouldn't be accurate either. My objection is to the mindless following of the left's mantra. I grew up with it, and I dare say that I probably had one HE&& of a harder life growing up than just about any of the others on this forum. The difference is that I do NOT buy into the "victim" mentality, nor do I view all of these things that are happening as necessarily bad.
As I stated above, in the longer term, these things WILL all get straightened out through the basic laws of economics (if the gov't will let it happen). I view BOTH parties as always taking the short term approach, nobody is willing to do what it takes to make things better LONG term, and both use scare tactics to gain votes from a populace that is borderline not able to think well enough to vote at all. It is truly a sad state of affairs, and it calls into question whether democracy is even viable over the long term.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
I had similar thoughts tonight during a discussion with my parents - one of whom is planning to vote straight dem ticket. I tried to reason with her that this was fallacious and a waste of her vote. But she's so freaked out these days that it's an "anybody but the republicans" mode. I pointed out that Solomon himself may not be able to extricate us from the present messes domestic and abroad, and that the dems should be very careful what they wish for...
back on topic...is there any historically agreed-upon point in the timeline of the last 30 years or so where the oft-referred-to downward spiral/union problems began? And as a follow-up question, were/are there any critical moments where, hindsight being 20/20, the industry should have zigged instead of zagged thus improving the overall scope today? (I know these are highly subjective and multifaceted questions that will not be answered fully here, but answers will hopefully point me in the right direction)
Very curious about this. I'm quite interested in learning how the airlines got where they are today. Recommended reading would be a great bonus. And mods, if these questions need a thread of their own, be my guest....