Unions are stupid... Mesaba screwed

Hey I know unions are usually a good thing and protect the employees more often than not but lately it seems that the employees are left out in the cold.

I guess about the same kinda deal as the general public thinking airplanes are unsafe after one goes down for the first time in a long time.
 
mpenguin1 said:
This has nothing to do with a Red State thing or a Blue state, this has to do with the airlines abusing the bankruptcy law, which they have been doing for years.
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mpenguin1 said:
People, start writing to members of Congress on how the airline are abusing bankruptcy court protection, once again, Democrats & Republicans.
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isn't this kindof an oxymoron? of course the red and blue states make a difference because it's who you elect into congress that makes/adjusts the rules of our society..so i think they go hand in hand.. vote accordingly!
 
I was gonna say, I've had a few beers tonight but I didn't think I was THAT drunk to as be posting completely frog_flyeresque posts!
 
Doug Taylor said:
Pengy-

I'm sorry bro. Love ya man, but re-read what you just wrote please.

Are you suggesting that when a company plays the BK card, that all labor simply roll over, give into ridiculous demands so the company can exit bankruptcy? The process is nowhere that simple and there's a lot more in play than "give us some cash and we'll all survive".

I've got first hand experience as a pilot working for a bankrupt carrier and the last thing you want to do is roll over without a whimper.

Trust me. I'll tell you a lot more at NJC.
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Doug

Oh no! That was never my line of thinking.

What I was implying, is that when a company enters bankruptcy courts, the Unions no longer have any leverage on the company, so, the only way the Unions to retain their power, is to get out of the bankruptcy courts as quickly as possible.
 
mpenguin1 said:
Doug

Oh no! That was never my line of thinking.

What I was implying, is that when a company enters bankruptcy courts, the Unions no longer have any leverage on the company, so, the only way the Unions to retain their power, is to get out of the bankruptcy courts as quickly as possible.
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Not quite. Unions HAD power during chapter 11 proceedings until this ruling. There used to be this idea that a company had two sides; managment and the employee's. Now we've been told that there's only one driving force, managment telling the employee's what's good for them without any say in it.

Sounds like facism to me.
 
mpenguin1 said:
Doug

Oh no! That was never my line of thinking.

What I was implying, is that when a company enters bankruptcy courts, the Unions no longer have any leverage on the company, so, the only way the Unions to retain their power, is to get out of the bankruptcy courts as quickly as possible.
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I think the only leverage unions hold post bk is striking.
 
mpenguin1 said:
Doug

Oh no! That was never my line of thinking.

What I was implying, is that when a company enters bankruptcy courts, the Unions no longer have any leverage on the company, so, the only way the Unions to retain their power, is to get out of the bankruptcy courts as quickly as possible.
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Inaccurate statement.

Otherwise there'd be no need for an 1113(c) filing.

Personal experience. Been there, almost did that, bought the freeking t-shirt.

The only leverage a union ever has is withholding service (aka "strike") when a contract has expired and the NLRB releases the parties for "self help" or the contract is no longer in place (if it was abrogated by an 1113(c) filing in the US Bankruptcy Court).

The judge is attempting to make precedent here, but it actually doesn't hold legal water and anyone who thinks the ramifications of the judge making up his own rules in this situation isn't going to send a shockwave industry wide needs a sodium pentathol tab.

If Mesaba starts operating CRJ's for $X-Y per hour, in the next round of negotiations at even heathly carriers, that's going to be the company opener. I'll bet you a dinner at Ruth's Chris on that one. And crap rolls downhill and bounces uphill in the airline industry. I learned that one first hand too.

The judge cannot stop a strike, well, without a contract, he doesn't retain the authoritiy to block a strike. Once the contract goes away, so do the joint protections of the NLRB. Can't have it both ways.

The fat lady hasn't gotten close to singing yet.
 
I am wondering now how many low time CFIs would these job? :insane:

Agree with Jtrain, wonder what this would affect the whole profession as in whole.
 
jtrain609 said:
I was gonna say, I've had a few beers tonight but I didn't think I was THAT drunk to as be posting completely frog_flyeresque posts!
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don't hate me cause you ain't me.... ;) :sarcasm:

On that note, I challenge anyone to find a drunk post by me in the last month.
 
frog_flyer said:
"moved, ahem?"



this is a conspiracy against FF
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Nope, that was in re: "Ask a (straight/gay/bisex/android/etc)" thread that I took out of circulation over the weekend. I can't find the reference in the lav but it's largely non sequitor.
 
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