Kestrel452
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Is UND keeping their warriors or are the new 172s pushing them out for good?
if so, how long do the warriors have left there?
if so, how long do the warriors have left there?
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ProudPilot
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Well piper decided that they will not build more warriors or arrows... ever. As such, we needed more warriors to continue training. Well, we called up Cessna and they had more than a few 172's ready to go, so... Cessna here we come.
They're expensive though and it's not like we're loaded with cash, so it's going to be another 2 years or so until every last warrior is out the door. Undergrad 102 training in the cessna should be this spring or next summer. We MIGHT do undergrad 222's starting this fall in the cessna. Right now Air China, and all 414/415's are in the cessna. As we get more, more students will be in them. It will be the total fleet for single engine non-complex non-aerobatic in 2 years.
Hope that helps!
They're expensive though and it's not like we're loaded with cash, so it's going to be another 2 years or so until every last warrior is out the door. Undergrad 102 training in the cessna should be this spring or next summer. We MIGHT do undergrad 222's starting this fall in the cessna. Right now Air China, and all 414/415's are in the cessna. As we get more, more students will be in them. It will be the total fleet for single engine non-complex non-aerobatic in 2 years.
Hope that helps!
Kestrel452
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I heard they are only buying 25 172s 
av8or91
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I heard they are only buying 25 172s
They are changing out the Warrior fleet with the 172's. They have around 30 right now.
Kestrel452
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Oh well, those new Cessnas look beautiful anyways. It'll probably teach me better stick and rudder skills too. And my GUESS is that going from Cessna to Piper is easier than starting out in the Piper since the Cessna requires more (for lack of a better word) "skill" to fly. Am I right?
What plane would I probably be flying in the fall since both are there?
What plane would I probably be flying in the fall since both are there?
Well Piper require more hands on flying since the controls are heavy and very much not in balance. The landing also make it a little rough since you have a low wing. A Piper is a very good trainer and in all practical purposes the Piper is better than a 172. But seeing that 172 are just as good as a Piper to train you are not going to lose out on the most important experience which is to learn how to fly a plane properly. A 172 is a much more graceful aircraft and you will learn to fly it gracefully. A warrior is like a jeep. Rugged and built for duralbility but when it comes too elegance it is not the best. I will say though I would to own a Arrow or even a Warrior over a 172. For the reasons as stated above. Have a good one and most likely you are gonna be in a WARG. To bad we dont have steamers anymore. They are the best to learn on.
-Farv
-Farv
Blip16
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typically progression for undergrads into a new A/C is:
1. 415
2. 414
3. 222
4. 102
LOGS
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What UND grads are gonna know how to use those rudders now??? INSANE!!
=J-
Seriously though, I've seen good 221 students learn on the 6 pack, then go to 222(this is when we just started having the WARG) and totally lose their scan and whatnot. Glass cockpits make dumb pilots.
=Jason-
=J-
Seriously though, I've seen good 221 students learn on the 6 pack, then go to 222(this is when we just started having the WARG) and totally lose their scan and whatnot. Glass cockpits make dumb pilots.
=Jason-
Blip16
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glass cockpits, especially with how most instruct at UND make horribly dumb pilots. 98% of my 325 students don't have any situational awareness w/o a moving map due to learning on the glass w/ 4 pinks lines.What UND grads are gonna know how to use those rudders now??? INSANE!!
=J-
Seriously though, I've seen good 221 students learn on the 6 pack, then go to 222(this is when we just started having the WARG) and totally lose their scan and whatnot. Glass cockpits make dumb pilots.
=Jason-
i miss the Bendix King stacks in all airplanes
(dating myself i know)
CRJDriver
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Not right now and not anytime soon...
But I agree, doing initial training in Glass is BS.
Kestrel452
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I did my first 20 hours in an analog gauge warrior. I even completed my intro to instrument flying in it. Will that help me get past that problem?
PGT
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Who fly's the 172's? We had one come in and the kid didn't even know how to taxi, I have no idea how he managed to make the trip out here (STC). After a few bad radio calls and the UND plane not moving, tower finally said..."see the company airplane on the ramp? TAXI THERE"
the_dmn8tr
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PGT
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I'm not bashing UND but how does someone like that go on a solo x/c?
LOGS
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Sierra Academy in Atwater, CA. Use to work there. I will never never never never fly on a Chinese airline...period. Enough said.
=Jason-
TXaviator
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agreed.
hell even american airlines scare me. id rather fly myself and some boxes or equipment in the back.
AngelFuree
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That was a really bad story.
LOGS
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Especially since it could have been so easily advoided and was just plain stupidity that caused the death.
=J-