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MikeD said:
Not uncommon. There was the Riddle CFI who stole the Seminole in the middle of the night, flew around for a bit, came back via an ILS to the runway where tower noticed he was high and asked if he’d be able to make the runway. Pilot said this “will be his final landing”, nosed the bird over to near vertical at full power, and impacted the runway.
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Gotta link? :sarcasm:
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
That sucks... all he had to do was keep his nose clean for a few years. Probably would have been kicked out of the aviation department. So get a degree in something else, then flight train elsewhere in a few years, when he could get his medical back. Explanations would have to be given during airline interviews. But it wasn't the end of his career potential. Just a setback. Sad.
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jtrain609 said:
Ahhh...yeah I don't know about that. I don't know about it being IMPOSSIBLE to get past 2 DUI's, but that's an uphill battle.
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It's definitely not impossible to get past multiple DUIs, a former co-worker of mine from the flight school I used to instruct at did. He lost his medical certificate because of a DUI, which as far as I know was at least his second. I haven't heard from him in years but I know he regained his medical and eventually got hired at a 121 supplemental cargo carrier. No doubt it would have been more difficult in the early 2000s when pilots were a dime a dozen though.
 
Yakob said:
It's definitely not impossible to get past multiple DUIs, a former co-worker of mine from the flight school I used to instruct at did. He lost his medical certificate because of a DUI, which as far as I know was at least his second. I haven't heard from him in years but I know he regained his medical and eventually got hired at a 121 supplemental cargo carrier. No doubt it would have been more difficult in the early 2000s when pilots were a dime a dozen though.
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One DUI without any aggravating factors and not an extreme DUI, is survivable for 121. We’ve even had one member here in that same boat from over a decade and a half ago, who got past it and made it to 121. Once one starts getting into aggravated/extreme DUI, and multiple DUIs, that starts showing a trend to a potential employer, that is not a trend of correction; or one of a one-time dumb act. And that’s what will get these guys from making it to many companies…..aside from the second tier chitbag operations that hire misfits, knowing they have nowhere else to go.
 
MikeD said:
Not uncommon. There was the Riddle CFI who stole the Seminole in the middle of the night, flew around for a bit, came back via an ILS to the runway where tower noticed he was high and asked if he’d be able to make the runway. Pilot said this “will be his final landing”, nosed the bird over to near vertical at full power, and impacted the runway.
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It's really crazy/sad that the skywest murder/suicide didn't make more headlines, or even the Horizon ramper who stole the Q400. No real coverage and those incidences could have been a lot worse.
 
Skåning said:
It's really crazy/sad that the skywest murder/suicide didn't make more headlines, or even the Horizon ramper who stole the Q400. No real coverage and those incidences could have been a lot worse.
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Or the guy that flew the 150 into the White House. That hardly made a full news cycle.
 
Roger Roger said:
I mean, it’s not necessarily just the FAA. There’s plenty of pilots out there who consider anyone who would seek mental health care a snowflake who needs to just suck it up.
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The other big problem is all the kids who got diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed Ritilan growing up. The FAA wants to see about $8,000 worth of testing to make sure these normal kids aren't a danger to the skies before they can even start flight training.

I honestly think this is one of the reason student pilot starts are so low. I have ADD and obviously I can do this job, but if I had ever been officially diagnosed and taken medication, I would be forced to choose between a mountain of medical red tape or just simply lying on my application.
 
Yakob said:
It's definitely not impossible to get past multiple DUIs, a former co-worker of mine from the flight school I used to instruct at did. He lost his medical certificate because of a DUI, which as far as I know was at least his second. I haven't heard from him in years but I know he regained his medical and eventually got hired at a 121 supplemental cargo carrier. No doubt it would have been more difficult in the early 2000s when pilots were a dime a dozen though.
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Was it @Apophis ?
 
This is a multi-pronged problem. Our society struggles with mental illness. That said, FAA disqualifying meds are very much overprescribed. It’s also a stigma. The FAA has a knee-jerk reaction of “grounded till you prove you’re Superman.” I’m dealing with a diagnosis that’s rare but easily resolved and 4 months after being cleared by every doctor I’ve seen I’m a month plus from just having the tests the FAA wants to consider my medical. I have the disposable income and patient employer to fight OKC. Someone fresh out of school or still in training? I can see this looking like a brick wall. That said, this particular crash could’ve been caused by something totally unrelated and I don’t want to race to conclusions.
 
pwttogfk said:
Lots of different sources—no lack of data to show how medicated kids are. I’m fortunate…my mom pulled me from preschool when the teacher wanted me put on Ritalin. Preschool. ADHD is definitely a real thing but incredibly over diagnosed. Prescriptions for Ritalin and other ADHD drugs double in a decade
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Haven't you heard? Big pharma is the answer to everything. Take this pill. Take this vaccine. It will cure what ails you.

1 in 20 US kids with ADHD. Only in the US though.
 
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