UND Citation crash in Alaska

CAFFEINE

CAFFEINE

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From www.ktuu.com...

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No injuries in Cessna crash
Friday, September 30, 2005 - by Bill McAllister

Anchorage, Alaska - Investigators say it's surprising, but everyone walked away from a jet crash in the Interior today. Authorities say the plane crash-landed at about 2 p.m. today about 50 miles west of Fort Yukon.


Officials say the plane is a Cessna Citation 550 belonging to the University of North Dakota. Investigators say it reportedly lost power in both engines while assisting with an icing test. Authorities say the fact that it was able to crash-land without injuries is amazing.


The rescue coordination center says the four people on-board are associated with Sikorsky Aircraft. Sikorsky employees in Fairbanks and Connecticut declined comment.
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Anybody know anything else about this?
 
Tuition is NOT outrageous, and the flying costs are NOT high. UND's hourly rates are very competitive. It's the part 141 structure that brings the flying costs high, but you still get your time in.

edit: I must add that the Citation is not used by the students or instructors. It is completely separate from the Aerospace program. The Citation is used as part of weather research.
 
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7034687p-6937669c.html

For those of you without a login/pass....
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FORT YUKON

Private jet crashes in remote area; all four people aboard leave unhurt

A twin-engine private jet dropped 9,000 feet and crash-landed on its belly on a remote area west of Fort Yukon with four people on board Friday afternoon, the Rescue Coordination Center said. No one was injured.

Master Sgt. Sal Provenzano with the RCC called the landing "pretty amazing."

The names of the four aboard were not immediately available.

According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the Cessna Citation 550 is registered to the University of North Dakota.

Citations are sophisticated and expensive jets more typically used for corporate travel than Alaska Bush flying, Provenzano said.

The people on the jet were working for Sikorsky Aircraft Corp., looking for areas to test de-icing equipment for a new helicopter, he said. No one from the Connecticut-based company immediately returned phone calls Friday night.

The company's Web site describes Sikorsky as "a world leader in helicopter design, manufacturing and service."

The flight originated out of Fairbanks and was headed to the area around Fort Yukon, Provenzano said. Around 2 p.m., north of the village of Beaver, the plane "experienced a dual-engine flameout," he said. The pilot tried to restart the engines, but to no avail.

"This was an emergency crash, not an emergency landing," Provenzano said. He said the plane remained relatively intact despite the impact. "It was pretty phenomenal the guy was able to put it down the way he did."

The plane's emergency signal went off and notified rescuers of its location.

Sikorsky is a subsidiary of United Technologies Corp. of Hartford, Conn., which provides a broad range of high-technology products and support services to the aerospace and building systems industries, the company's Web site says.

-- Anchorage Daily News
 
i can see paul lehardy getting out of the plane and having a very stern talk with it. wouldn't raise his voice, wouldn't get pissed, wouldn't kick the airplane with his steel-toed boots, but would tell it about how disappointed he was in it.
 
http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7244~3077115,00.html
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4 men rescued after crash on Yukon Flats


By MARGARET FRIEDENAUER, Staff Writer


Four men escaped injury Friday when their plane made a crash landing on the Yukon Flats north of Fairbanks after the engines failed. The group was rescued by the 68th Medical Company Air Ambulance from Fort Wainwright.

According to a Federal Aviation Administration official in Anchorage, a Cessna 550 crashed about 60 miles southwest of Fort Yukon while en route from Fairbanks to Fort Yukon. The official described the plane as a twin engine corporate jet belonging to the University of North Dakota.
Chief Warrant Officer 2 James Boyett with the 68th Medical Company said there was little damage to the aircraft from what he could see. Boyett said the men told him they experienced a dual engine flameout at about 9,000 feet. The pilot tried to restart the engine a couple of times but failed. Boyett said the plane landed near some trees and clipped its right wing, which spun the aircraft 20 or 30 degrees.

"I think we were more impressed by his landing than they were with our rescuing them," Boyett said.

The aircraft began to leak fuel so the four men moved away from the crash site to build a fire and wait for rescuers.

Boyett said the unit received the call about the crash at about 1:30 p.m. The weather, with low clouds, was not ideal for flying and the rescue crew could only fly about 100 feet off the ground. They could hear the electronic locator transmitter from the downed plane but had to fly 20 miles east of the crash location, then 20 west, before they could approach the crash site on the flats.

"We finally found a hole and got into the Yukon Flats," Boyett said.

They located the downed plane near what Boyett said were some of the few trees on the flats.

"They just happened to find the only trees up there," he said. "It was a pretty tight fit but we got in there."

Four men wrapped in orange blankets were standing near the crashed plane.

The men were engineers from Sikorsky, which designs and manufactures helicopters, Boyett said. The company designs the skis on the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter used by the 68th medical company.

Boyett identified the rescued men as Paul Hardy, Mark Hanson, David Delene and Robert Flemming.

A Sikorsky employee who helped the 68th medical company search for the crash was reached at a Fairbanks hotel Friday night, but referred all questions to a Sikorsky representative.

Boyett said the engineers told him the company was flying a fixed-wing plane to Fort Yukon to find an area to test icing capabilities for one of its helicopter designs.

While the survivors were cold and tired, the crew of the 68th was ecstatic with the outcome. Boyett said the crew was worried the plane may have crashed into a nearby hill.

"We were actually expecting the worst," Boyett said.

But when the crew crested the hill and saw all four men walking around, they realized they had a happy ending. "It couldn't have been any better," Boyett said.
 
scoobs said:
I couldn't find the costs but what kills you is the out of state fees.
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Umm yea, the cost of about 9000 per year with housing/dining/tuition + maybe an extra 7-8000 for flying is just so incredibly unreasonable compared to other colleges. :sarcasm:
 
CAFFEINE said:
their plane made a crash landing on the Yukon Flats north of Fairbanks after the engines failed.
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So what do you think exactly happened? I'm guessing that since both engines on the Citation "experienced a dual-engine flameout" and they were essentially *looking* for ice -- that ice could have built up on the nose, and then broken off and been ingested into the engines??
 
Yeah, you also can get residency in a year.(drivers license, address for a year, thats it!) I used a buddies house for a summer address and got that all taken care of. Cut my costs in half. Per semester its 5500 for tuition, room, and board, plus around 4-5 grand for flight costs. Yeah UND is SO expensive. :rolleyes:
 
From today's ADN:

University of North Dakota plane will remain where it crash-landed
A University of North Dakota research jet that crashed in Alaska will remain here.
"The plane's not coming back," said Peter Johnson, a UND spokesman. "The insurance company has basically totaled it out."

The Cessna Citation II with four people on board made an emergency landing north of Fairbanks after the engines quit Sept. 30, the university said. No one was injured. The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating.
Johnson said the jet was from the university's Atmospheric Science Department. It was in Alaska for study of icing conditions.

Research equipment from the jet was salvaged this week, Johnson said. The wreckage will likely remain at the spot where the plane crashed, about 75 miles west of Fort Yukon, he said. The crash site "is basically 60 miles away from any road," he said.

Chief research pilot Paul Le Hardy maneuvered the jet into an emergency landing after he was unable to start the engines, the university said. The passengers were two UND researchers and an official with Connecticut-based helicopter manufacturer Sikorsky Aircraft.

Johnson said the university had owned the airplane for 25 years. It was built in 1979, he said.

"It had been flown literally around the world, collecting weather and pollution data," Johnson said. He did not know whether the airplane would be replaced.
 
Citation Type Rated Idiots

Look you know what pisses me off is those dickheads in UND that all the sudden all have type ratings in Citations. Seriously...how did you suddenly figure out how the engines flamed out you dickheaded idiots. I'm sorry did you all just get your A&P, fly up to alaska, examine the crash site, and decide ice caused 2 engines to flame out simultaneously? Shut up you idiots..your pissing me off:rawk: Bobby Siti
 
Bignellyxx said:
Look you know what pisses me off is those dickheads in UND that all the sudden all have type ratings in Citations. Seriously...how did you suddenly figure out how the engines flamed out you dickheaded idiots. I'm sorry did you all just get your A&P, fly up to alaska, examine the crash site, and decide ice caused 2 engines to flame out simultaneously? Shut up you idiots..your pissing me off:rawk: Bobby Siti
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Umm, ok; so someone makes an educated guess about what could have happened to the Citation and all of a sudden they're complete "dickhead idiots."

Bignellyxx said:
Seriously...how did you suddenly figure out how the engines flamed out you dickheaded idiots.
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...it said in the article that " they experienced a dual engine flameout at about 9,000 feet."


Am I correct in guessing that you took the small bus to school?
 
Wild_Weasel said:
Umm, OK; so someone makes an educated guess about what could have happened to the Citation and all of a sudden they're complete "dickhead idiots."



...it said in the article that " they experienced a dual engine flameout at about 9,000 feet."


Am I correct in guessing that you took the small bus to school?
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Speaking on behalf of Bobby Siti not all people who make educated guesses are dickheads. Its just that some peoples educated guesses are • (yours & mine, lets not lie to ourselves) and some are good (NTSB). And thank you for telling me about the dual engine flame out at 9,000 feet that is not something that escaped my "short bus" attention span. But what Bobby was referring to was a post prior that said that the engines apparently were looking for ice and ingested the ice which caused both engines to flame out. The problem with this is that this particular Citation had an STC for a heated nose to prevent this very thing from happening. He is also commenting on how unlikely the chances of a Simultaneous dual flame out due to ice are. :rawk: -Nelly-
 
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