Uncontrolled Field with no ASOS

E6BAV8R said:
What does your "employer" do with his business? :p

As per the question, I really have no idea.
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We are an Engineering Consulting firm.....we don't make products. We show people how to make their products better! The plane is just a tool to get to/from job sites.

You in OKC or down in Norman?
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
We are an Engineering Consulting firm.....we don't make products. We show people how to make their products better! The plane is just a tool to get to/from job sites.

You in OKC or down in Norman?
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Sorry for the late reply. I actually go to school up in Stillwater :)
 
BobDDuck said:
You are going into an uncontrolled airport with one east-west runway with an ILS to the east runway. There is an ASOS on the field but it is stating OTS. A front blew through about 2 hours prior bringing heavy rain and wind. The weather on your release is 1 hour old and stating 1800 OVC with calm winds.The approach controller gives you the weather at an airport 40 miles to the east as 260@12G19 700 OVC. Nobody answers on local traffic when you call up and the person manning the radio in ops has no idea how to look out the window and give a field report. Circle to land is authorized only with 1000 foot ceilings.

You are decending through 8000 down to 3000 "vectors for the ILS approach". What do you do?
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I would go missed on the approach and proceed to my alternate and land there since I should have planned for the alternate and still have a reserve of 45 minutes. After landing at the alternate I would call my company's dispatch notifying them of my location and why I diverted to the alternate and if they threaten to fire me, I say ok......and of course call the airport manager and tell him to go and fix the ASOS since its kinda nice to know what the clouds are doing because I am not a freaking mind reader and know how low the clouds really are.:nana2:


-Farva
 
I would approach this from a common sense side. If ASOS is out, you have no weather for the field - period. It doesn't really matter what weather you have for fields nearby or what your release shows, as we all know that weather can differ from one end to the other of the same airport. How can you commence an approach in good conscience if you don't have accurate weather? This is now a non-precision approach as the GS is out of service. The front is obviously affecting the field 40nm to the east with gusty winds but you really don't have any accurate information as to where the front is and where it is heading. Gusty winds out of the west within 40 nm of your landing field and a ILS w/ no GS to an easterly runway is asking for trouble. In my opinion, to shoot an approach with so many unknowns is rolling the dice on the outcome.

Ask ATC for a vector that will take you to an airport that has acceptable weather or at least acceptable weather reporting. You can then relax in the comfort of your hotel room and think about what to have for dinner. Tomorrow will be a better day for sure.
 
Regulations allow under some circumstances to shoot this approach as it is non-precision. Some may choose to descent to say 1000' AGL (circling mins) for a looksee. If the field is sighted, a visual approach to a favorable runway could then be accomplished. However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. The heavy rain and gusty winds in the area as well as so many unknowns with the ASOS out would curtail any enthusiasm on my part to land here. Again, I am not saying it can't be done - just that I would likely go elsewhere.
 
calcapt said:
I would approach this from a common sense side. If ASOS is out, you have no weather for the field - period. It doesn't really matter what weather you have for fields nearby or what your release shows, as we all know that weather can differ from one end to the other of the same airport.
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And if that's what your Ops Spec says then you would surely be correct in going somewhere else and heading for the hotel. Some Ops Specs give a method for using other weather reporting locations to determine if you are legal to commence the approach. If you work for one of those operators and you routinely apply your own, more conservative approach, and keep stranding passengers or freight at other airports, I'd suggest you start looking for another employer or, better still, another job, you're not cut out for flying.
 
CFIse said:
And if that's what your Ops Spec says then you would surely be correct in going somewhere else and heading for the hotel. Some Ops Specs give a method for using other weather reporting locations to determine if you are legal to commence the approach. If you work for one of those operators and you routinely apply your own, more conservative approach, and keep stranding passengers or freight at other airports, I'd suggest you start looking for another employer or, better still, another job, you're not cut out for flying.
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Say what???...LOL :yup:
 
I'm gonna go out a buy an extra large box of Tampons...
Shoot the approach, land, unload your freight, get a clearance and take off. Its as simple as that. Ops specs for most freight companies at least allow for some sort of alternative weather reporting be it from ATC or an approved nearby airport as stated.
I missed the part about the GS being out. Never read that anywhere.
Anyways. There is no reason to be afraid of a little tail wind. 6000ft is a LONG ways.
 
:D Its all in good fun. Don't mean to step on any toes!

Maybe some adult diapers will do-good enough for Astronauts!
 
BajtheJino said:
:D Its all in good fun. Don't mean to step on any toes!
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That's cool. :cool:

Doug just likes to keep a little easier-going atmosphere here in his virtual living room (when compared to some other innanet sites), so I tend to get a little proactive when new folks start using more, ummm, euphemistic phrases that have potential to stir the pot. I've been known to misread people on occasion...

:)
 
SteveC said:
That's cool. :cool:

Doug just likes to keep a little easier-going atmosphere here in his virtual living room (when compared to some other innanet sites), so I tend to get a little proactive when new folks start using more, ummm, euphemistic phrases that have potential to stir the pot. I've been known to misread people on occasion...

:)
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Thank you Steve! And many of us appreciate the easy-going atmosphere that Doug has created and strives for! :)
 
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