Unbelievable...

PGT

PGT

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I was browsing through NASA reports and found this:

ACN: 668455
Synopsis
INSTRUCTOR PLT MAKES A PRECAUTIONARY LNDG AFTER DETECTING SMOKE IN
THE COCKPIT. SOURCE OF THE SMOKE WAS THE STUDENT PLT SMOKING A
CIGARETTE.

I was simply shocked.

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PGT said:
I was browsing through NASA reports and found this:

ACN: 668455
Synopsis
INSTRUCTOR PLT MAKES A PRECAUTIONARY LNDG AFTER DETECTING SMOKE IN
THE COCKPIT. SOURCE OF THE SMOKE WAS THE STUDENT PLT SMOKING A
CIGARETTE.

I was simply shocked.

discuss...
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Something more was going on here. Question - are names included in these types of reports? I'm kinda wondering if this was a polite way of bringing the airplane down if the student pilot refused to follow the instructions of the CFI not to smoke.
 
PGT said:
I was browsing through NASA reports and found this:

ACN: 668455
Synopsis
INSTRUCTOR PLT MAKES A PRECAUTIONARY LNDG AFTER DETECTING SMOKE IN
THE COCKPIT. SOURCE OF THE SMOKE WAS THE STUDENT PLT SMOKING A
CIGARETTE.

I was simply shocked.

discuss...
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That's great!
 
PGT said:
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Doh! Leaving a post ending in the big d word.


Anyhow, there has to be some underlaying circumstances on this one. All the cigarette smoke I've smelled, smelled like a, well, cigarette. I'm not even sure how you could light one in an airplane without the dude your sharing your personal space with knowing.
 
MFT1Air said:
Something more was going on here. Question - are names included in these types of reports? I'm kinda wondering if this was a polite way of bringing the airplane down if the student pilot refused to follow the instructions of the CFI not to smoke.
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Name's are hidden to protect the pilots
 
So, is there a website you can find NASA reports? I think it would be interesting to see some of those. If there is, can you please post the link? Thanks.
 
From the NTSB.
C-152
Early 1990's
Macon, GA.

THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT STATED THAT AFTER COMPLETING INSTRUMENT TRAINING IN THE LOCAL AREA, HE ATTEMPTED TO RETURN TO HIS DEPARTURE AIRPORT. THE APPROACH WAS UNSUCCESSFUL DUE TO THE LOW CEILINGS AND FOG IN THE AREA. HE ELECTED TO PROCEED TO HIS ALTERNATE AIRPORT AND WAS EXECUTING AN APPROACH INTO THE AIRPORT, WHEN HE OBSERVED A FIELD BELOW THE AIRCRAFT. HE ELECTED TO ATTEMPT A LANDING IN THE FIELD BECAUSE HE DID NOT BELIEVE THE APPROACH INTO THE ALTERNATE AIRPORT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL DUE TO THE LOW CEILINGS AND FOG. WHEN ASKED BY THE FAA INSPECTOR WHY HE ATTEMPTED THE OFF AIRPORT LANDING WHEN NO EMERGENCY EXISTED, THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT REPLIED 'HE DID NOT KNOW'.

I love that answer.:rawk:
 
Thanks for the link PGT.

ACN: 668221
Synopsis
C172RG UNINTENTIONAL GEAR RETRACTION ON ROLLOUT. INSTRUCTOR BLAMES STUDENT AND STUDENT BLAMES INSTRUCTOR.
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I wonder if they still fly together... I think not.
 
ACN: 668221
Synopsis
C172RG UNINTENTIONAL GEAR RETRACTION ON ROLLOUT. INSTRUCTOR BLAMES STUDENT AND STUDENT BLAMES INSTRUCTOR.
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Shouldn't it read "Student blames instructor, instructor blames maintenance, mechanic blames chlorine in gene pool."

;)
 
There has got to be some more to the story than these little tidbits tell us. This is mainly pertaining to the smoke in the cockpit story.

Although if the student was from a different country, its all the more possible.

You would be amazed at the cultural differences if you are not accustomed to travel.

But for the big picture, yes. Darwin Awards for some!
 
Crockrocket94 said:
There has got to be some more to the story than these little tidbits tell us. This is mainly pertaining to the smoke in the cockpit story.

Although if the student was from a different country, its all the more possible.

You would be amazed at the cultural differences if you are not accustomed to travel.

But for the big picture, yes. Darwin Awards for some!
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This is the full write up:

Narrative
I WAS FLYING WITH MY STUDENT FOR HIS PVT PLT PRACTICAL EXAM WHEN THE
SIT OCCURRED. WE ARRIVED AT THE ARPT EARLY, SO I DECIDED TO GO OVER
POSSIBLE PITFALLS THAT HIS DESIGNATED EXAMINER MAY INTRODUCE DURING
THE FLYING PORTION OF THE PRACTICAL EXAM. ONE OF THESE PITFALLS WOULD
BE AN ACCIDENTAL APCH INTO A NEARBY CLOSED ARPT. 1 MI W OF ZZZ IS THE
OLD ZZZ ARPT, WHICH IS CLOSED. THE 2 ARPTS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER AND
BOTH HAVE THE SAME RWY HDGS OF 18 AND 36. I SHOWED MY STUDENT THE
CLOSED ARPT AND THEN TURNED N TO SHOW HIM ANOTHER ARPT HE WOULD
LIKELY BE ASKED TO DIVERT TO DURING THE NAV PART OF THE PRACTICAL
EXAM. I TOLD MY NERVOUS STUDENT TO RELAX WHILE I FLEW US THERE. I TOOK
THE FLT CTLS AND HE SLID HIS SEAT BACK TO RELAX. I LOOKED OUT THE R
WINDOW FOR POSSIBLE TFC AT THE NEW ZZZ. I WAS ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE MY
NBOUND DEP FROM THE AREA WHEN SUDDENLY I SMELLED SMOKE. MY REACTION
TO THE SMELL OF SMOKE IN THE COCKPIT WAS TO LAND IMMEDIATELY. THE
QUICKEST WAY TO LAND WOULD BE TO ENTER A R BASE FOR RWY 18 AT ZZZ. I
IMMEDIATELY ANNOUNCED MY INTENTIONS. I THEN ASKED MY STUDENT IF HE
SMELLED THE SMOKE. I GOT NO RESPONSE FROM MY STUDENT. A SECOND
LATER, I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE FREQ SAY, 'BE ADVISED ZZZ L TFC.' I HAD
BEEN MONITORING THE ZZZ FREQ AND WAS KEEPING TRACK OF THE ARPT'S TFC
IN MY HEAD. I THOUGHT ALL OF THE TFC WAS ON THE GND! WHEN I HEARD 'BE
ADVISED L TFC,' I THOUGHT THAT I MUST HAVE HEARD PART OF A XMISSION
AND MAYBE SOMEONE WAS IN THE PATTERN MAKING L TFC. I ANNOUNCED THAT
I WAS TURNING R BASE. NO RESPONSE! I VIGILANTLY BEGAN LOOKING FOR THE
POTENTIAL TFC. I CONTINUED TO SCAN FOR THE TFC. UNABLE TO SEE ANYTHING,
I ASKED MY STUDENT IF HE SAW ANY TFC. AGAIN, I GOT NO RESPONSE FROM MY
STUDENT. ONCE I HAD THE RWY MADE, I LOOKED INSIDE THE COCKPIT TO
GLANCE AT THE ENG GAUGES. SHOULD I PULL THE MIXTURE? DOES THE SMOKE
SMELL LIKE AN ELECTRICAL FIRE OR GAS? MAYBE I SHOULD TURN OFF THE
MASTER SWITCH! I GLANCED AT MY STUDENT TO SEE WHY HE WASN'T REACTING
TO THE SIT. AFTER ALL, IT WAS HIS AIRPLANE THAT WAS POTENTIALLY ON FIRE.
THAT WAS WHEN I REALIZED WHERE THE SMOKE WAS COMING FROM. THERE, TO
MY L, SAT MY STUDENT -- HEADSET AROUND HIS NECK -- SMOKING A
CIGARETTE! THIS TOOK ME BY SURPRISE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS: 1) I
DIDN'T KNOW MY STUDENT SMOKED, 2) I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SMOKE IN AN
AIRPLANE BEFORE. I FELT AMAZINGLY DUMB AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT. I
LOOKED AT THE APCH END OF THE RWY AND NOTICED 3 CONFUSED CESSNA PLTS
HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 18, WHERE I THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE, PROBABLY
WONDERING WHY I WAS MAKING R TFC. I BELIEVE THAT THIS SIT OCCURRED
BECAUSE OF LACK OF COM BTWN MY STUDENT AND ME. I BELIEVE THAT THIS SIT
COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF I HAD ASSESSED THE SIT A LITTLE LONGER
INSTEAD OF JUMPING ON MY FIRST REACTION. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IN THE
EVENT OF AN EMER, CRM SHOULD BE HIGHER ON MY LIST OF PRIORITIES.
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He did a good job writing it up though. Also it appears as though he knows to "slow down" from now on :).
 
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