U.S. Citation X crash in Germany, 5 dead.
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BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Sad.
Wonder why ABC felt it necessary to drop Buffet and Netjets name in the story?
Wonder why ABC felt it necessary to drop Buffet and Netjets name in the story?
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Because he's a big bad capitalist.
Sad indeed. Didn't FSIFlyer just get a gig flying out of HKG?
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
There are photos of the wreckage on PPRune. Looks like the aircraft fell flat on it's belly straight down. Maybe a stall spin? The X has a pretty unforgiving wing if you get slow.
From what I read the mission was a reposition flight in marginal VFR conditions to an airfield without an approach. Apparently there were a lot of airspace constraints around the airport as well. The weather was deteriorating and the sun was setting...
Not playing backseat driver. I have no idea what happened, just guesses. I do fly the X so I am rather curious for a reason. RIP.
From what I read the mission was a reposition flight in marginal VFR conditions to an airfield without an approach. Apparently there were a lot of airspace constraints around the airport as well. The weather was deteriorating and the sun was setting...
Not playing backseat driver. I have no idea what happened, just guesses. I do fly the X so I am rather curious for a reason. RIP.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Can't find any good photos of the crash site. If the debris from the crash is localized in nature and there is only limited damage to the surrounding area it shows it didn't have much forward movement and could have been a stall/spin. If there is a line of debris it would have had some good forward momentum and likely wouldn't have been a stall or a spin. The worst is when the airframe is essentially pulverized with debris everywhere and indicates a high speed crash.
Otherwise known in the biz as a "smoking hole in the ground". As that's what they usually resemble.
AVIATOR83
Well-Known Member
I'm curious too...
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If you look at the few hours that lead up to the crash, the weather deteriorate's very quickly. From 1720 to 1820 the vis went from 4000m to more than 2000m and from 1820 to 1950, the vis went down to 1600-2000m variable. The plane crashed at 1900. When the plane went down, EDDF, which is a few miles away was using cat III approaches.
Due to the airport not having any IAP's, I hope they didn't make the mistake of creating a point 2-3 miles from the runway and building a psuedo-glideslope to the point, instead of from the point to 50 ft above the runway threshold.
I'm very curious...the X can get a little squirrelly when it gets slow.
Edfe 011650z 01005kt 8000 few008 09/08 q1025
edfe 011720z 03003kt 4000 br few008 09/08 q1025
edfe 011750z auto 03003kt //// // /// 08/07 q1025
edfe 011820z auto 06002kt //// r27/p2000n // /// 08/08 q1025
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eddf 011920z 02005kt 0400 r07r/0750vp2000d r07c/0700v1600d r07l/1100vp2000d fg bkn001 07/07 q1025 nosig
If you look at the few hours that lead up to the crash, the weather deteriorate's very quickly. From 1720 to 1820 the vis went from 4000m to more than 2000m and from 1820 to 1950, the vis went down to 1600-2000m variable. The plane crashed at 1900. When the plane went down, EDDF, which is a few miles away was using cat III approaches.
Due to the airport not having any IAP's, I hope they didn't make the mistake of creating a point 2-3 miles from the runway and building a psuedo-glideslope to the point, instead of from the point to 50 ft above the runway threshold.
I'm very curious...the X can get a little squirrelly when it gets slow.
Helo VFR there.
z987k
Well-Known Member
If it hit belly first, it was likely not a spin.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Depends on the kind of spin. I would think jets with large engines on the back would tend to flat spin.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Different type of Citation
What type was that? I thought it was a X.....
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
It was a 650, which can be a III, a VI or a VII).
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