Type rating needed?

I don't know the answer to your question but I would like to hijack it for a quick moment. Can someone please explain why sims have different levels?
 
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I don't know the answer to your question but I would like to hijack it for a quick moment. Can someone please explain why sims have different levels?

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Why dont you post a new thread then Einstein?
 
I didn't post just to say that I don't know the answer, but also to post a new question. I didn't think it was nescessary to post a whole new thread for a simple question like this.
 
For example, on the NWA thread Doug asked the following:


"Speaking of old aircraft, how can you tell that the 747 you're looking at is a -100? "

Why would he make a whole new thread to ask a simple question. Same here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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I don't know the answer to your question but I would like to hijack it for a quick moment. Can someone please explain why sims have different levels?

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Each level of simulator such as Level A, B C, or, D depends on the sophistication of the simulator
and what it can be used for.
Example of this would be a level D simulator where you have Day, Night, Dusk, & Dawn visual scenes, a level D simulator can use all of these features for training, check rides, & lofts.
 
New insurance policies are starting to mandate types for certain operations (pt. 135). Some, but not all.

J.
 
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For example, on the NWA thread Doug asked the following:


"Speaking of old aircraft, how can you tell that the 747 you're looking at is a -100? "

Why would he make a whole new thread to ask a simple question. Same here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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If you look at the answer to Doug's question you will see that it's a joke. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I don't know the answer to your question but I would like to hijack it for a quick moment. Can someone please explain why sims have different levels?

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Each level of simulator such as Level A, B C, or, D depends on the sophistication of the simulator
and what it can be used for.
Example of this would be a level D simulator where you have Day, Night, Dusk, & Dawn visual scenes, a level D simulator can use all of these features for training, check rides, & lofts.

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Thank You!
 
Perhaps the question is why would you want to log Lear SIC time? Yeah it's cool to have in the logbook, but unless you're doing hundreds of hours, it's not worth anything.

Do you fly for a living now or want to some day?
 
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Perhaps the question is why would you want to log Lear SIC time? Yeah it's cool to have in the logbook, but unless you're doing hundreds of hours, it's not worth anything.

Bog- not everybody can log PIC in a CRJ. If it is not a single pilot airplane then it is turbine time. Its hard to come by.
 
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Is a type rating needed to log SIC time in a Lear?

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No, a Type Rating is NOT required to log SIC time in a Lear...

You will, however, be required to complete the required training as specified in FAR 61.55:

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§ 61.55 Second-in-command qualifications.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person holds:

(1) At least a current private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and

(2) An instrument rating that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:

(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested—

(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.

(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.

(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.

(iv) Flight manual.

(v) Placards and markings.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes—

(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;

(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and

(iii) Crew resource management training.

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Perhaps the question is why would you want to log Lear SIC time? Yeah it's cool to have in the logbook, but it's not worth anything.

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It is basically worth just as much as logging SIC time in an RJ...

My logging of SIC time in a Lear lead to my logging of PIC time in a Lear (which included a free Type Rating, plus pay raise) which then lead to a Falcon 10 Type Rating (free rating plus pay raise), which further lead to a Falcon 20 Type Rating (free rating plus pay raise)... Which then lead to a job at a Fortune 100 Corporate Flight Department (pay raise, QoL increase) which then lead to a Citation 650 Type Rating (Citation III / VI / VII) (free rating plus pay raise) which then lead to a Falcon 50EX Type Rating (free rating plus pay raise) which then lead to a Falcon 900EX Rating (pay raise, equivalent to: 20 year Mesa CRJ-900 Captain PLUS 40%)...

What was I thinking wasting my time logging SIC Lear time, what a knucklehead I am, I could be still flying that Duchess for $25,000/year if I didn't make that mistake?!?!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cwm27.gif
 
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Perhaps the question is why would you want to log Lear SIC time? Yeah it's cool to have in the logbook, but unless you're doing hundreds of hours, it's not worth anything.


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Yeah, I have to ask Bog........what the hell kind of question is this?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Most likely, it's gonna be a hell of a lot better paying than RJ SIC. I think I understand what you're trying to say though, which is, "What's the point of having 5-10 hours SIC in the Lear?"............."If you're flying the Lear for a living and logging hundreds and thousands of hours in type, then cool, it makes sense...." Right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just need to explain it a little better... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Now, don't get FalconCapt. and I started on the regionals....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Now, don't get FalconCapt. and I started on the regionals....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Aww... C'Mon, I need some entertainment! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif
 
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Yeah, I have to ask Bog........what the hell kind of question is this?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Most likely, it's gonna be a hell of a lot better paying than RJ SIC. I think I understand what you're trying to say though, which is, "What's the point of having 5-10 hours SIC in the Lear?"............."If you're flying the Lear for a living and logging hundreds and thousands of hours in type, then cool, it makes sense...." Right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just need to explain it a little better... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yes, that's exactly what I asked. With absolutely no background info from the person who asked, my assumption is that they might get a chance to occasionally sit right seat in a Lear and want to log it. At that point, it's really not worth much and creates liabilities of its own. If it's a job sitting right seat in that Lear, then hell yes go for it.

Let's say our Inquirer eventually wants a job at a regional so as to step to a major or national. Go into a regional interview with 20 hours of Lear 35 SIC and you will get hammered with questions about that aircraft's systems. If you cannot answer them, it casts the proverbial shadow of doubt over the rest of the hours in your logbook.

If this person is instructing right now and maybe found some folks who'll let him/her sit right seat on some of their flights, it's a toss up. However, take the time to learn about the aircraft's systems, and you're good to go.

I was not insinuating anything with that post, simply needing more information. To simply throw out the questions "Is it worth logging this flight time?" without providing ANY additional info is not going to help.

This will calm your nerves, but more info in the original question would have helped big time. If any low-time pilot can find a corporate job in today's environment, I'd say go for it. When US Airways liquidates in October, the airline field is going to be a mess.
 
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To simply throw out the questions "Is it worth logging this flight time?" without providing ANY additional info is not going to help.

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Actually the original posters question was "Is a type rating needed to log SIC time in a Lear?"

They didn't ask anything about it being "worth" logging...

RTFQ still applies... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif
 
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Perhaps the question is why would you want to log Lear SIC time? Yeah it's cool to have in the logbook, but unless you're doing hundreds of hours, it's not worth anything.

Do you fly for a living now or want to some day?

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Time isn't time?
 
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