Type Rating for Hawkers, Citations, and Gulfstreams?
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I would take what I could get
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Be careful with that statemnet, it will get you in trouble around here.
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And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't work in corporate aviation, but from what I have read and seen on this site and others, 500 hrs and a type rating won't buy you a pot to piss in.
I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out that the hours req'd in corporate aviation are often much higher than the airline route. Also, the generally accepted view (there are exceptions) is that a prospective employer should pay for that type rating.
I would take what I could get
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Be careful with that statemnet, it will get you in trouble around here.
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And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't work in corporate aviation, but from what I have read and seen on this site and others, 500 hrs and a type rating won't buy you a pot to piss in.
I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out that the hours req'd in corporate aviation are often much higher than the airline route. Also, the generally accepted view (there are exceptions) is that a prospective employer should pay for that type rating.
Baronman
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It's good that you have an idea that you want to get into corporate aviation, it gives you some goals to strive for.
As far as getting a type rating at this point I wouldn't worry about it, and as I'm sure many will tell you, if possible allow your future employer to pay for the type.
With 500hrs you may get lucky and find a job (it's been known to happen) but I'd defenitly have an alternate plan that allows you to get more hours.
Of course if you have the money and don't mind spending the cash getting the type might be interesting. Just don't bank on it being the key to a position.
Good luck
As far as getting a type rating at this point I wouldn't worry about it, and as I'm sure many will tell you, if possible allow your future employer to pay for the type.
With 500hrs you may get lucky and find a job (it's been known to happen) but I'd defenitly have an alternate plan that allows you to get more hours.
Of course if you have the money and don't mind spending the cash getting the type might be interesting. Just don't bank on it being the key to a position.
Good luck
Brandon
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FlightSafety will train you on any of those types, and be more than happy to lighten your wallet by about 20G - Just a guess ... I got typed there and I am just guessing the cost was in that ballpark
If you want to break into corporate build your hours and keep showing up in the chief pilot's office and show a strong interest in flying for them. If they like you they'll be more than happy to spring for that type rating when you have the hours they want.
If you want to break into corporate build your hours and keep showing up in the chief pilot's office and show a strong interest in flying for them. If they like you they'll be more than happy to spring for that type rating when you have the hours they want.
jonnyb
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Because I am more intrested in the corporate avaition side of the house, I would take what I could get but I would rather fly corporate or for charters. And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't have time at the moment, gotta go. But, someone please help this guy out. He has no idea how things work in this business, which is understandable.
Because I am more intrested in the corporate avaition side of the house, I would take what I could get but I would rather fly corporate or for charters. And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't have time at the moment, gotta go. But, someone please help this guy out. He has no idea how things work in this business, which is understandable.
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Because I am more intrested in the corporate avaition side of the house, I would take what I could get but I would rather fly corporate or for charters. And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't have time at the moment, gotta go. But, someone please help this guy out. He has no idea how things work in this business, which is understandable.
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I tried to answer nicely before one of you guys got to him:
I don't work in corporate aviation, but from what I have read and seen on this site and others, 500 hrs and a type rating won't buy you a pot to piss in.
I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out that the hours req'd in corporate aviation are often much higher than the airline route. Also, the generally accepted view (there are exceptions) is that a prospective employer should pay for that type rating.
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Because I am more intrested in the corporate avaition side of the house, I would take what I could get but I would rather fly corporate or for charters. And i should have close to 500 hours in a few months.
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I don't have time at the moment, gotta go. But, someone please help this guy out. He has no idea how things work in this business, which is understandable.
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I tried to answer nicely before one of you guys got to him:
I don't work in corporate aviation, but from what I have read and seen on this site and others, 500 hrs and a type rating won't buy you a pot to piss in.
I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out that the hours req'd in corporate aviation are often much higher than the airline route. Also, the generally accepted view (there are exceptions) is that a prospective employer should pay for that type rating.
Ok, #1 You ain't gonna' touch a Gulfstream type rating at Flight Safety for $20K - figure closer to $30K at a minimum.
#2 - A type rating with 500TT and 0 time in type won't even get you a pot to piss in - you'll have to use the FBO's bathroom on the way out of the building.
#3 - At 500TT you're virtually uninsureable on any type of business jet(with some exceptions) - by the time you get to that level you'll have forgotten everything about the airplane anyway.
#4 - The only thing you're setting yourself up for taking this route is a checkride failure on your record.Having a type rating in a jet means you are able to competently act as PIC on said jet and at 500TT you're not ready to be a jet PIC - you still have a LOT of learning to do.
I truly don't mean to be as harsh as that sounded - believe me, all of us have been there and know exactly how you feel and what you're going thru - the best way to get into corporate aviation is to go knocking on doors, talking to chief pilots, sitting at FBO's talking to pilots - in a word "Networking"!!
Again, I would like to stress that in my opinion this is a very, very bad idea but if you're going to go thru with it at least use the money wisely and get some King Air training - it would probably be an easier transition for you and that would be more typical 'entry level' airplane - where you'd probably land your first job anyway.
Jason
#2 - A type rating with 500TT and 0 time in type won't even get you a pot to piss in - you'll have to use the FBO's bathroom on the way out of the building.
#3 - At 500TT you're virtually uninsureable on any type of business jet(with some exceptions) - by the time you get to that level you'll have forgotten everything about the airplane anyway.
#4 - The only thing you're setting yourself up for taking this route is a checkride failure on your record.Having a type rating in a jet means you are able to competently act as PIC on said jet and at 500TT you're not ready to be a jet PIC - you still have a LOT of learning to do.
I truly don't mean to be as harsh as that sounded - believe me, all of us have been there and know exactly how you feel and what you're going thru - the best way to get into corporate aviation is to go knocking on doors, talking to chief pilots, sitting at FBO's talking to pilots - in a word "Networking"!!
Again, I would like to stress that in my opinion this is a very, very bad idea but if you're going to go thru with it at least use the money wisely and get some King Air training - it would probably be an easier transition for you and that would be more typical 'entry level' airplane - where you'd probably land your first job anyway.
Jason
Without a significant amount of 'time in type' a type rating doesn't do jack for you.
Now if you've got 5,000 hours, a type rating in a Citation and you happen to bump into someone that's looking for a type-rated pilot to fly as PIC in his CE-650, you're in business -- maybe.
Now if you've got 5,000 hours, a type rating in a Citation and you happen to bump into someone that's looking for a type-rated pilot to fly as PIC in his CE-650, you're in business -- maybe.
jonboy34
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I am trying to find out if there are any places near me where i can get a Hawker, Citation, or Gulfstream rating
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FlightSafety Orlando has all the Citation sims, right there at MCO. Now if you don't have your CFI yet I'll give you a quick piece of advice that might help you out. If you do your CFI at Flightsafety Academy, you will be able to intern at any FlightSafety sim center in the country (there's around 30), and receice either a type rating or SIC qualified for free. Oh by the way you also get paid $14/hr the whole time you are there, which for a 3 or 6 month internship comes out to well you do the math, but its a lot better than paying someone else over $25,000 for it! Also if you decide to be an intern you will be able to fly the sim as much as you want for practice whenever there is nobody training in it, which is a pretty good deal...
I am trying to find out if there are any places near me where i can get a Hawker, Citation, or Gulfstream rating
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FlightSafety Orlando has all the Citation sims, right there at MCO. Now if you don't have your CFI yet I'll give you a quick piece of advice that might help you out. If you do your CFI at Flightsafety Academy, you will be able to intern at any FlightSafety sim center in the country (there's around 30), and receice either a type rating or SIC qualified for free. Oh by the way you also get paid $14/hr the whole time you are there, which for a 3 or 6 month internship comes out to well you do the math, but its a lot better than paying someone else over $25,000 for it! Also if you decide to be an intern you will be able to fly the sim as much as you want for practice whenever there is nobody training in it, which is a pretty good deal...
blee256
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I am currently a student at a school in Sanford, Fl; no not avion either. I am trying to find out if there are any places near me where i can get a Hawker, Citation, or Gulfstream rating. Since noone around me likes to give up information on said ratings.
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Answers to your original question...
http://www.flightsafety.com/
http://www.simuflite.com
http://www.panamacademy.com/type.asp?id=214
but the rest of the guys are correct spending money to get the type rating really isnt going to help. You can get a job with 500 hours if you know people. Corporate aviation is all about who you know. So if/when you do get a job with 500 hours, you'll be flying right seat, which doesnt require a type rating. All you'll need is just 3 t/o and landings, a V1 cut, and a single engine landing. and some ground school. and I say that loosely.
I'm SIC checked out in a DA-20. but i havent flown it since.
I've got more than 500 hours, but i'll feel bad with the capt. that has to fly with me. haha.
anyone know of somebody looking for a falcon F/O???
good luck with everything.
I am currently a student at a school in Sanford, Fl; no not avion either. I am trying to find out if there are any places near me where i can get a Hawker, Citation, or Gulfstream rating. Since noone around me likes to give up information on said ratings.
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Answers to your original question...
http://www.flightsafety.com/
http://www.simuflite.com
http://www.panamacademy.com/type.asp?id=214
but the rest of the guys are correct spending money to get the type rating really isnt going to help. You can get a job with 500 hours if you know people. Corporate aviation is all about who you know. So if/when you do get a job with 500 hours, you'll be flying right seat, which doesnt require a type rating. All you'll need is just 3 t/o and landings, a V1 cut, and a single engine landing. and some ground school. and I say that loosely.
I'm SIC checked out in a DA-20. but i havent flown it since.
anyone know of somebody looking for a falcon F/O???
good luck with everything.
PorcoRosso
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DA-20?
DA20 Dassault-Breguet Mystere Falcon 200
DV20 Diamond/Canada DV-20 Katana/DA-22
fboweb.com aircraft code lookup
Tired
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Like everything else in the aviation world I think it should work on a seniority basis and Falcon jets have been around.....what.....maybe 25 years longer than those toys! Once the last Falcon jet is retired THEN you can call it a DA-20!
Jason
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Yeah right, I'll bet when the last Katana finally melts in the summer heat the rubble will be strapped to pallets and loaded onto a Falcon 20 freighter and flown up to Canada where it should have stayed in the first place.
If you want to get a type, go to Simuflite and take the Lear 25 course. It's cheap, and it's good for the Lear 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 36, and 55. Better yet, get involved in the Simuflite right-seat program, and get a type for free (eventually).
Like everything else in the aviation world I think it should work on a seniority basis and Falcon jets have been around.....what.....maybe 25 years longer than those toys! Once the last Falcon jet is retired THEN you can call it a DA-20!
Jason
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Yeah right, I'll bet when the last Katana finally melts in the summer heat the rubble will be strapped to pallets and loaded onto a Falcon 20 freighter and flown up to Canada where it should have stayed in the first place.
If you want to get a type, go to Simuflite and take the Lear 25 course. It's cheap, and it's good for the Lear 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 36, and 55. Better yet, get involved in the Simuflite right-seat program, and get a type for free (eventually).