Two Planes Nearly Collide over Pacific

SeanD said:
Correct me if wrong but the FAA investigates every near miss involving an airline.
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RAs are mandatory ASAP reports at (probably) every property out there. That means the Feds see it at an ERC meeting. Also, you are supposed to report an RA to a controller after it happens, or as it happens if you have time. I don't know how things work on that end, but I'd guess that triggers some sort of review as well.

Mr. Townsend is full of crap.
 
I read some of the comments on the cnn article. When the not so smart folks started debating g's it made my head hurt.

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TEN FEET PER SECOND YALL!!!! THATS TEN! FRIGGIN! FEET! IN ONE SECOND.....lets think about that for a second. Ok, carry on.
 
SeanD said:
Never mind, Abend responded. He is CNNs biznitch. http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/16/travel/hawaii-near-collision-ntsb/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

This Towsend guy sounds like a real tool claiming that the FAA only investigated after his article came out. Correct me if wrong but the FAA investigates every near miss involving an airline.

The comments are great and highly recommended.
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Holy Christ. I honestly don't know if in straight and level flight I am experiencing 1 G or 0 G.

How how some people so stupid?
 
His ignorance will get him in trouble on Twitter in no time. Especially considering his clear lack of reaching out to the vast aviation safety/pilot community.

This is his five minutes of fame. It'll pass promptly when the wolves come out and eat him alive.
 
as the 757 strained through the kind of maneuver meant more for a fighter jet
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Since fighters don't even have TCAS, an RA response certainly is not "meant more for a fighter jet" than a 757, sorry.
 
Just went on the comments section. Feeling a little snarky on a Monday morning. Vote it up, folks!

Do CNN anchors crap their pants every time a car cuts in front of them on the freeway and they have to tap on the brakes?

When a car drives by them on the road at 40 mph when they're waiting for the crosswalk light to change so they can walk across it, does the urine trickle down their legs?

Based on the reporting of this as terrifying, that's a safe conclusion to draw.

Stock up on Depends, you clowns. Your "reporting" belongs in them.
 
BobDDuck said:
RAs are mandatory ASAP reports at (probably) every property out there. That means the Feds see it at an ERC meeting. Also, you are supposed to report an RA to a controller after it happens, or as it happens if you have time. I don't know how things work on that end, but I'd guess that triggers some sort of review as well.

Mr. Townsend is full of crap.
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On the controller end if an aircraft responds to an RA in your sector, you are required to report it. If there is a actual loss of separation, which likely will occur on an RA it will automatically be generated, if it is in radar. He says 6 miles over the pacific, like thats a far way out there, but i imagine if that was the case they were still on radar. The few RA events I have seen (not been involved in), have all resulted in a loss of 5 miles and/or 1000ft separation, causing a "deal" and an automatic report generated to QA. The last head on same altitude RA I saw was acted on at about 3 miles and they passed over each other with 1000ft separation. That one was pilot error. Either way if someone reports an RA I am filling out an ATSAP, telling my supervisor and they will pull the tapes, and do a full investigation.

On a side note, the pilot error was a result of a traffic call to a foreign airliner at FL350, "traffic 12 o'clock 10 miles, opposite direction A320 at FL360" resulted in that aircraft reading back "roger FL360". Another aircraft called right after that, and both the radar controller and radar associate said "• I think they are going to climb to FL360", while waiting for the check in by the other aircraft to be over with. When it was, the foreign airliner was out of FL355 for presumably FL360. As the controller said "descend now to FL350" the other aircraft at FL360 called saying "responding to an RA". They went from FL360 to FL370 in one radar sweep, that is 1000ft in 12 seconds, at time of the RA they were 3 miles apart, when they passed over head they were 1000ft apart, the foreign carrier leveled at FL360 and then descended back down presumably never getting an RA themselves, which I found odd.

This was all due to a traffic call for traffic 1000ft apart. So do you pilots find those comforting, and necessary. Or with TCAS and now years of RVSM flying is this just not necessary. I always hear that head on traffic 1000ft apart looks like its coming right at you, but don't you all glance down at the TCAS way before I say something to see it is indeed 1000ft from you. When I give traffic calls to foreign pilots I never say an altitude, just 1000ft apart, to try to avoid this situation, but I think traffic calls are annoying half the time. I would rather you understand when I call traffic to you that I am hoping for you to take some action for me. Right now you have to just understand the difference between a traffic call for passing overhead by 1000ft and a traffic call where I am saying you are climbing/descending through this guy hurry your ass up!
 
klkm said:
He says 6 miles over the pacific, like thats a far way out there, but i imagine if that was the case they were still on radar.
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I think the "six miles over the Pacific" remark referred to cruising altitude.
 
Luckily I've only had two RA's. Once over the jungle in S. America and another flying from SDF-CVG.
 
klkm said:
So do you pilots find those comforting, and necessary. Or with TCAS and now years of RVSM flying is this just not necessary. I always hear that head on traffic 1000ft apart looks like its coming right at you, but don't you all glance down at the TCAS way before I say something to see it is indeed 1000ft from you?
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Yes, but it gives us the warm fuzzies to know that you are in fact talking to that guy and he's probably going to stay 1000 feet below us. Even worse is that VFR traffic that tools along 500 feet off our altitude. In that case hearing that you are talking to them is very reassuring because that way we can assume (kind of) that the target isn't going to decide he wants to climb 1000 feet right then and come right for us. That's why when a controller tells me something like "VFR traffic at Xoclock, 500 feet below your altitude" and then adds "I'm talking to him" or, "I'm not talking to him" I have a much better sense of the overall picture.

Derg said:
Luckily I've only had two RA's. Once over the jungle in S. America and another flying from SDF-CVG.
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How is that even possible in the amount of time you have been flying? In 8 years of east coast RJ flying I think I had more than 15 for real RAs (mostly between Philly and Allentown I think!). And since I've been out in the Islands I've had 2 in the last 9 months of flying.
 
klkm said:
On a side note, the pilot error was a result of a traffic call to a foreign airliner at FL350, "traffic 12 o'clock 10 miles, opposite direction A320 at FL360" resulted in that aircraft reading back "roger FL360". Another aircraft called right after that, and both the radar controller and radar associate said " I think they are going to climb to FL360", while waiting for the check in by the other aircraft to be over with. When it was, the foreign airliner was out of FL355 for presumably FL360. As the controller said "descend now to FL350" the other aircraft at FL360 called saying "responding to an RA". They went from FL360 to FL370 in one radar sweep, that is 1000ft in 12 seconds, at time of the RA they were 3 miles apart, when they passed over head they were 1000ft apart, the foreign carrier leveled at FL360 and then descended back down presumably never getting an RA themselves, which I found odd.
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I've had this happen once....Luckily I caught the erroneous readback and issued corrective instructions so it never amounted to anything. Was a foreign carrier as well for me.
 
Derg said:
Luckily I've only had two RA's. Once over the jungle in S. America and another flying from SDF-CVG.
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I've only had one RA myself. Climbing out of PBI a Hawker off of FLL caught us from behind and was climbing out in front of us, generating a climb RA. I started the maneuver, and the boss and jumpseater got a visual. Turned 5 right and all was good.
 
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