Turkish AF C-130 crash in Georgia (country)

Didn't earlier models of the C-130 have some kind of wing detaching issue for older airframes? Like early models - I thought I read something after a firefighting C-130 had a catastrophe many years ago.
 
Didn't earlier models of the C-130 have some kind of wing detaching issue for older airframes? Like early models - I thought I read something after a firefighting C-130 had a catastrophe many years ago.
Yes, 2 A models that both had wing box failures that the wings folded up on, not like this with the wing in one piece seemingly
 
closest similar accident dynamic would be the 2017 crash of a USMC Reserve KC-130T tanker from VMGR-452 that shed a prop while in cruise flight, which sliced through the forward cabin and chopped off the entire fuselage forward of the wing leading edge. Cockpit fell to earth, while the pax in back fell with the rest of the aircraft as it flew along before spiraling out of control. Improperly overhauled props at the USAF depot, as the cause.
 
Didn't earlier models of the C-130 have some kind of wing detaching issue for older airframes? Like early models - I thought I read something after a firefighting C-130 had a catastrophe many years ago.

If you actually dare to watch, there was video on the internet back in the day of that firefighting mishap. IIRC it was circa early 2000's, when I was downloading lime wire songs to make a mix CD in college timeframe. Terrible accident.
 
If you actually dare to watch, there was video on the internet back in the day of that firefighting mishap. IIRC it was circa early 2000's, when I was downloading lime wire songs to make a mix CD in college timeframe. Terrible accident.

One C-130A was 1994. The other one with the video was 2002, a few months later was the wing separation of the PB4Y-2 firefighter plane from the same company. That resulted in the grounding of all contract firefighting tanker aircraft nationally, and the prohibition of all piston powered and WWII era fire tankers, as well as the C-130A, use in any US federal fires. The P-3 and P-2 were the only contractor tankers allowed back in service as they were on a fatigue monitoring program for their airframes.

The issue with the C-130Aa was they were retired airframes from USAF service, all of 1956/57 model year. They were retired to the boneyard in the late 1970s after a long career of tactical cargo hauling, including tactical off field landings and other fatiguing ops to the airframes.

Enter 1987, and the grounding of a two widely used air tankers: the B-17 due to age, and the C-119 due to tailboom fatigue failures in flight. There were a fair number of these aircraft in use, and their loss would affect the contract companies ability to provide air tankers for contract to the USFS. A USFS air officer came up with a plane to provide retired USAF C-130A and USN P-3A airplanes from the boneyard, to be loaned to these air tanker operators, in trade for their retired B-17s and C-119s and other older military aircraft, back to the military for museum use. Thus the great historical tanker trade program was born, and the beginning of what was to become a major scandal that sent a few people to jail. Planes that were supposed to be on loan to private contractors, somehow had their titles transferred to these operators. And aircraft that were only supposed to be converted to, and used for, aerial firefighting, we instead also being used off season for cargo hauling for profit, some of these planes being seen in Kuwait during the first gulf war, being flown by these contractors on profit-making cargo work. Two of the C-130As somehow were sold to a buyer in Mexico. All Strictly prohibited by the loan agreement for these aircraft.

The P-3s went to a company called Aero Union Corp in northern California, and the C-130s, of which there were more of them, went to a company called Hemet Valley Flying Service in SoCal, along with Hawkins and Powers in Wyoming and T&G aviation in Arizona. The 1994 C-130A accident was a Hemet Valley bird, had a wing root fire start that separated the wing. The 2002 C-130A that was captured on video was a Hawkins and Powers bird, as was the PB4Y-2 a few months later. The A model 130s, with their age and their careers they retired from, already had used center wing boxes, that were now being subjected to constant bending, as the weight of 3000 gallons of fire retardant, approximately just under 30,000 lbs, being constantly loaded up and dropped on each fire run, for over a decade now; was akin to taking a paper clip and constantly bending it one way, then another, and repeat. Eventually, they break. Which is what the A model C-130s were suffering from.

When the A model -130s were grounded in 2002, they all ended up with T&G aviation, as Hemet Valley had gone out of business on the late 90s, and the two accidents of the H&P planes spelled the end of that longtime company too. T&G kept using the C-130As on their firefighting contracts in France that they had, just at a reduced total load. But the era of rhe historical aircraft trade program had finaly come to an end. The P-2 Neptune tankers finally retired from a company called Neptune by the late 2010s, and the P-3A retired after Aero Union, the largest of the tanker companies, closed its doors in the mid-2000s. And the Blue Ribbon panel that was formed after the 2002 crashes and groundings, resulted in a revamp of the airtanker program, which we see today.
 
I remember walking the Neptune line a number of times in Missoula, during our summer cross countries with my dad to Iowa (as a fuel stop). One of the last ones I remember going on (probably in the 2001/2002 timeframe), he brought his navy logbook, and noted that he had flown quite a few of the Neptune birds while wearing the flight suit. Nowadays, I really wish anyone short of Australia was still flying it. Would love to jumpseat/hang out in a flying one sometime. Can't ask him about them anymore, but I imagine it would be cool to see the subject of all his stories in person. He had many thousands of hours in most variants of the Neptune between 1959 and 1979. Mostly the SP-2E though.
 
I remember walking the Neptune line a number of times in Missoula, during our summer cross countries with my dad to Iowa (as a fuel stop). One of the last ones I remember going on (probably in the 2001/2002 timeframe), he brought his navy logbook, and noted that he had flown quite a few of the Neptune birds while wearing the flight suit. Nowadays, I really wish anyone short of Australia was still flying it. Would love to jumpseat/hang out in a flying one sometime. Can't ask him about them anymore, but I imagine it would be cool to see the subject of all his stories in person. He had many thousands of hours in most variants of the Neptune between 1959 and 1979. Mostly the SP-2E though.

I got to see the original C-130As acquired by Hemet Valley Flying Service being converted to air tankers in 1989 when I took a XC flight to Hemet-Ryan airport, which was their base. Was interesting to see the tank conversion work being done in the airframe of these planes.

As a side note, the last combat of the P-2 Neptune was the Argentine Navy using them in 1982 in the Falklands war. The P-2s were responsible for finding the destroyer HMS Sheffield, the first British ship sunk in the war after a Royal Navy nuke sub sank their light cruiser General Belgrano.
 
As a side note, the last combat of the P-2 Neptune was the Argentine Navy using them in 1982 in the Falklands war. The P-2s were responsible for finding the destroyer HMS Sheffield, the first British ship sunk in the war after a Royal Navy nuke sub sank their light cruiser General Belgrano.
Just another sidenote from this.

Our Armada has just retired our last Turbo Tracker, also a Falklands veteran (it was a piston back then). Just another firebomber to keep on topic.
 
If you actually dare to watch, there was video on the internet back in the day of that firefighting mishap. IIRC it was circa early 2000's, when I was downloading lime wire songs to make a mix CD in college timeframe. Terrible accident.
I've seen the video. First time I saw it was in a bar having a beer before dinner on the news that was on the day it happened. Just bad.
 
Neptune is still around in Missoula. They fly BAC146's (or RJ85's) as tankers and Turbo Commanders as Air Attacks. I met a guy who aged out of American (ex America West) as an F/O and felt he still needed to work. He was doing Air Attack stuff a couple summers ago.
 
I got to see the original C-130As acquired by Hemet Valley Flying Service being converted to air tankers in 1989 when I took a XC flight to Hemet-Ryan airport, which was their base. Was interesting to see the tank conversion work being done in the airframe of these planes.

As a side note, the last combat of the P-2 Neptune was the Argentine Navy using them in 1982 in the Falklands war. The P-2s were responsible for finding the destroyer HMS Sheffield, the first British ship sunk in the war after a Royal Navy nuke sub sank their light cruiser General Belgrano.
Lived in Hemet as a kid. Got to watch all of those tankers flying in and out every summer. It’s the reason I’m a pilot today actually. Wanted to get in to aerial firefighting originally but then realized the money, time off and summer family life was much better flying 121 haha. The ‘94 C-130 crash killed my bosses best friend, he was a HVFS pilot back then. Hired me to work at his FBO later on.
 
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