Transitioning to high performance/complex

"Upset 919A, cleared in hot for for tactical... do NOT exceed 250 in the transition, VFR traffic 9 o'clock"
 
///AMG said:
Haha, given the speed regs in CONUS airspace, I have always thought the break was kind of a funny notion, though fun of course. Just like you said, speed up just to slow down again. Now the boat makes a little more sense...and it's always a good show at civilian airfields if the controllers/pattern permits :)
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Heard some guys around the boat were entering the break at like .8 or something.. is that pretty normal?
 
MikeD said:
What speed regs? If you're talking mil tactical jet.......91.117(d) applies to most. Or do you mean some piston type?
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Oh just talking about 250 @ 10k. We normally try to obey that one, though down south I don't really remember anyone ever caring (ATC that is).

@ Ryan, not sure if you mean fleet jets or orange and whites. As a student there is no way in hell that you want to break any faster than your lead safe drops you off at (ie 250-300). I think most of us snapped a few off at low-mid 400's around the field during FCLP's, but in the -45 that normally put you about 3 miles abeam and 40-60 seconds in the groove if you didn't load up the G's in the break.....so not good for flying a good pass. I have seen HUD footage of a Hornet doing 1.0 (mach that is) coming into the overhead, but yeah, that was at the boat on deployment.
 
///AMG said:
@ Ryan, not sure if you mean fleet jets or orange and whites. As a student there is no way in hell that you want to break any faster than your lead safe drops you off at (ie 250-300). I think most of us snapped a few off at low-mid 400's around the field during FCLP's, but in the -45 that normally put you about 3 miles abeam and 40-60 seconds in the groove if you didn't load up the G's in the break.....so not good for flying a good pass. I have seen HUD footage of a Hornet doing 1.0 (mach that is) coming into the overhead, but yeah, that was at the boat on deployment.
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sorry I should have been more clear... the Hornets...

is that at 7.2Gs?
 
ryan1234 said:
sorry I should have been more clear... the Hornets...

is that at 7.2Gs?
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For the Hornet, there are different G limits depending on what stores you have on the jet. For a clean jet that isn't FLE red (our airframe life extension program), yeah you are looking at low 7's for G limits. A supersonic break would probably require a pull just under that I'd imagine, in order to get to a 1 mile abeam. Rule of thumb I heard is a G for every 100 knots until you get down to gear/LEF/TEF speed, so the initial pull would be near 7 to end up at a good abeam position.
 
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