Trans States Closing its doors

So XJT made this huge deal about all these new E-175’s they were getting and now they’re getting downgraded back to an all E-145 fleet? They’ll probably be another one to go eventually. My opinion here, but the future of regional flying really isn’t the old 50 seaters. I think SkyWest, Envoy, and Republic will be around the longest.
 
Sheety Airrines said:
So XJT made this huge deal about all these new E-175’s they were getting and now they’re getting downgraded back to an all E-145 fleet? They’ll probably be another one to go eventually. My opinion here, but the future of regional flying really isn’t the old 50 seaters. I think SkyWest, Envoy, and Republic will be around the longest.
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Hopefully not a single one of them is around all that much longer.
 
z987k said:
Hopefully not a single one of them is around all that much longer.
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Eh, the transition to all in house will take a while. But I agree that OO and YX will unfortunately be the two that survive long term.

Granted if YX can’t get their labor relations in order, they could start on the downward path very quickly. Cancelling how many flights a few years ago during pilot negotiations, FAs in mediation and dispatch is what, over two years into negotiations with no end in sight? Sounds like their employees must love it there.

Everyone I talk to at OO seems to like it there, and they keep growing, so they may end up dominating the regional space.


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Sheety Airrines said:
So XJT made this huge deal about all these new E-175’s they were getting and now they’re getting downgraded back to an all E-145 fleet? They’ll probably be another one to go eventually. My opinion here, but the future of regional flying really isn’t the old 50 seaters. I think SkyWest, Envoy, and Republic will be around the longest.
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I don't think XJT will go anywhere at this point. United just spent money buying them so it wouldn't make sense to shut them down. I would also throw PSA and Piedmont into the longer lasting group because they are wholly owned also.
 
bbmikej said:
I don't think XJT will go anywhere at this point. United just spent money buying them so it wouldn't make sense to shut them down. I would also throw PSA and Piedmont into the longer lasting group because they are wholly owned also.
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How'd that work out for Comair. Just say'n...
 
The regional industry has changed in those 8 years. All the majors were divesting of their airlines because they thought it would be the way to go. Since then, they have realized it's nice to have control over those operations and have started buying up the small guys again.
 
bbmikej said:
The regional industry has changed in those 8 years. All the majors were divesting of their airlines because they thought it would be the way to go. Since then, they have realized it's nice to have control over those operations and have started buying up the small guys again.
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Well, thank Southwest. They proved if you sell a good product people will pay the extra 5 bucks.
 
bbmikej said:
I don't think XJT will go anywhere at this point. United just spent money buying them so it wouldn't make sense to shut them down. I would also throw PSA and Piedmont into the longer lasting group because they are wholly owned also.
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Same with Endeavor and how much money DL seems to be putting in them lately.
 
riley737 said:
Anyone here care to explain why trans states is closing?
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If you scroll up and read my posts from yesterday, they'll give you an idea. Also, if you Google "Trans States Airlines Shutdown", you'll be able to read some articles about it... ;)
 
paincorp said:
Eh, the transition to all in house will take a while. But I agree that OO and YX will unfortunately be the two that survive long term.

Granted if YX can’t get their labor relations in order, they could start on the downward path very quickly. Cancelling how many flights a few years ago during pilot negotiations, FAs in mediation and dispatch is what, over two years into negotiations with no end in sight? Sounds like their employees must love it there.

Everyone I talk to at OO seems to like it there, and they keep growing, so they may end up dominating the regional space.


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When I was reading airinsight.com a while back, they said that, by themselves, Skywest would be like the SEVENTH LARGEST airline in the world! That'll give you some idea of how big they are.
 
bbmikej said:
I don't think XJT will go anywhere at this point. United just spent money buying them so it wouldn't make sense to shut them down. I would also throw PSA and Piedmont into the longer lasting group because they are wholly owned also.
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Don't forget Endeavor and Envoy; they're wholly owned also. C5 is partially owned by UA.
 
This is par for the course at UAL. They have done this time and time again. Remember Westair? They were gone in one day.
Air Whisky is next, mark my words.
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bbmikej said:
The regional industry has changed in those 8 years. All the majors were divesting of their airlines because they thought it would be the way to go. Since then, they have realized it's nice to have control over those operations and have started buying up the small guys again.
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It was literally within just a month or two of Delta closing Comair that they bought Pinnacle and then changed their name. It's not like they majors have done an about face with whether they want to own their own regionals. Delta has never really been without a wholly owned subsidiary since they first bought ASA back in the day. The driving force behind it is simply if it's a good investment. UA doesn't actually own Commutair or XJT, they have an ownership stake in Manna Air. Less risk than having 100% ownership.
 
who'swho said:
It was literally within just a month or two of Delta closing Comair that they bought Pinnacle and then changed their name. It's not like they majors have done an about face with whether they want to own their own regionals. Delta has never really been without a wholly owned subsidiary since they first bought ASA back in the day. The driving force behind it is simply if it's a good investment. UA doesn't actually own Commutair or XJT, they have an ownership stake in Manna Air. Less risk than having 100% ownership.
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UA owns 40% of the airline; it's on Commutair's website.
 
A-9er said:
UA owns 40% of the airline; it's on Commutair's website.
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They own 40% of CommutAir, but they also own 40% of ManaAir which owns Expressjet. The rest of ManaAir is owned by something called KAir and is Chaired by one Subodh Karnik, the current CEO at Expressjet and the person United brought in at CommutAir when they were bought. It's all a bunch of shell corporations that probably all lead back to United. So why all this cloak and dagger? Probably because in the UA FA contract, there is a LOA saying they have "exclusive bargaining representative for the Flight Attendants on any commuter airline (primary 135 carrier) which it establishes or purchases in whole or in significant part."

Now you may say they are 121 and not 135, but the union could probably argue that 121 is included and EV and C5 flight attendants
now make UA money.

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paincorp said:
Eh, the transition to all in house will take a while. But I agree that OO and YX will unfortunately be the two that survive long term.

Granted if YX can’t get their labor relations in order, they could start on the downward path very quickly. Cancelling how many flights a few years ago during pilot negotiations, FAs in mediation and dispatch is what, over two years into negotiations with no end in sight? Sounds like their employees must love it there.

Everyone I talk to at OO seems to like it there, and they keep growing, so they may end up dominating the regional space.


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What do you mean? YX is growing at a faster rate than OO. Contract dispute or not they're nowhere close to starting on a downward path. They've been doing a lot of hiring in the past 6 month probably due to the growing fleet and all the people they've lost to majors. I can't imagine it's any worse than TSA.

OO is definitely a force and not going anywhere but YX is expanding out west as well.
 
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