Training Contratcs

[MSU Pilot]

As far as I know, the contract only gets signed once you complete the training. So he made it through. I spoke with him last night, and he says he is going to stick it out with the company for the duration of the contract. He spoke with the head of the company that wants to hire him, and told them about the contract. They said that they don't want him to brake the contract, and that if he does, they won't have a position for him. But if he fulfills the contract, they will have a position availible for him when is done.

Proof that honest decisions lead to a honest future. Everything good comes in turn.

 

[Blackhawk]

Uh...maybe I am missing something here, but the military is FULL of contractual obligations!

Mshunter, good choice by your buddy. It's all about the karma man!

But you are not forced to fly and you are not forced to sign a contract. You need to read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. Even in the depths of WWII no one was ever forced to fly that I am aware of. As a matter of fact, if you messed up it was not unusual to find yourself in the infantry.

 

[mshunter]

But you are not forced to fly and you are not forced to sign a contract. You need to read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. Even in the depths of WWII no one was ever forced to fly that I am aware of. As a matter of fact, if you messed up it was not unusual to find yourself in the infantry.

Forced into the infantry. It wasn't/isn't "just go home, since you can't fly for us, we don't want or need you." I didn't read anywhere in his post that you are forced to fly, just that you are obligated to a contract. As far as I remember when I talked to the recruiter nearly 15 years ago, the only way to just walk away from the military is when you make it to officer status and you resign. Otherwise, you are in a contract wherein the Military basically owns you. If they say "Deploy" you have to go.

 

[Blackhawk]

Forced into the infantry. It wasn't/isn't "just go home, since you can't fly for us, we don't want or need you." I didn't read anywhere in his post that you are forced to fly, just that you are obligated to a contract. As far as I remember when I talked to the recruiter nearly 15 years ago, the only way to just walk away from the military is when you make it to officer status and you resign. Otherwise, you are in a contract wherein the Military basically owns you. If they say "Deploy" you have to go.

Obligated by a contract, but not obligated into a contract. Even in the military you are not forced to sign a contract.

 

[Ian_J]

Forced into the infantry. It wasn't/isn't "just go home, since you can't fly for us, we don't want or need you." I didn't read anywhere in his post that you are forced to fly, just that you are obligated to a contract. As far as I remember when I talked to the recruiter nearly 15 years ago, the only way to just walk away from the military is when you make it to officer status and you resign. Otherwise, you are in a contract wherein the Military basically owns you. If they say "Deploy" you have to go.

That's not just officers, that applies to enlisted soldiers as well. Everyone has an eight year service obligation and depending on your contract you must serve some of that eight years on active duty or in the guard or reserves. The rest of that eight years is served on an inactive duty status (essentially out but subject to recall) unless enlisted members reenlist or officers elect to continue their service. A small difference is enlisted members must reenlist for a period of time and if they do they must stay in until the new contract is fulfilled. Officers may resign any time after their initial contract is complete (generally) and may be what your recruiter was referring to.

 

[mshunter]

That's not just officers, that applies to enlisted soldiers as well. Everyone has an eight year service obligation and depending on your contract you must serve some of that eight years on active duty or in the guard or reserves. The rest of that eight years is served on an inactive duty status (essentially out but subject to recall) unless enlisted members reenlist or officers elect to continue their service. A small difference is enlisted members must reenlist for a period of time and if they do they must stay in until the new contract is fulfilled. Officers may resign any time after their initial contract is complete (generally) and may be what your recruiter was referring to.

I can't really remember, it was soo long ago. Thats why I phrased it as a question. But, let me see if I have this correct. Lets say that you are in any branch, and you make officer in say, 5 years. You can resign, but you are subject to recall for another 3?

 

[Bandit_Driver]

BajtheJino, i understand where you are coming from. Alot of have made similar sacrifices, worked crappy shifts, etc. Companies can only push you as far as you let them. Back in my 135 days my GF now wife was very sick and on a business trip in another state. I went to management and asked them for timeoff to get her and bring her home. They said no, I told them I was going and they could either call it sick time or fire me. They weren't happy but I didn't get fired either. I still upgraded at the company and was never challenged again by them. My GF (now wife) worked opposite shifts and there were times I wouldn't see her for a week or two at a time. We found a way to make things work and eventually got married. I am sorry you lost your GF because of this job. However behind most married pilots are very strong, understanding, supportive, and indepentant wives who understand the demands this job makes.

 

[Ian_J]

I can't really remember, it was soo long ago. Thats why I phrased it as a question. But, let me see if I have this correct. Lets say that you are in any branch, and you make officer in say, 5 years. You can resign, but you are subject to recall for another 3?

I think i see what you're saying but just in case let me try to clarify it. (and I'll use the army as an example but they are all basically the same).

When someone enlists they sign up for a specific number of years which depends on a variety of factors, but no matter what they owe eight total years of some sort of service. Let's say their initial term is 3 years. After those 3 years they may leave the service but still have 5 left on the eight year service obligation. They may serve those 5 years in the inactive ready serve. They are essentially out - but they may recalled to active duty if needed. If they want to stay in, they can reenlist for a specified number of years.

Enlisted soldiers are on a linear track to advance up the enlisted ranks. They don't "make" officer at some point unless they choose to leave the enlisted ranks and are accepted into some sort of officer producing program. (ROTC, west point, OCS, or in rare specialty cases, direct commissioning).

Officers have the same 8 years service obligation and they have a specified number of years to serve initially the same as enlisted soldier. They may also get out after their initial term and still have to complete the eight total years in some way. The difference is officers don't reenlist - they just continue to serve. After their eight years is up they generally can resign if they choose (there are exceptions but they are minutia really).

 

[Blackhawk]

I can't really remember, it was soo long ago. Thats why I phrased it as a question. But, let me see if I have this correct. Lets say that you are in any branch, and you make officer in say, 5 years. You can resign, but you are subject to recall for another 3?

It's not a resignation unless the service obligation is up. Otherwise it's a RElease FRom Active Duty (REFRAD) and you are put into the IRR or if you chose the Guard/Reserve. Of course the IRR is NEVER called up.:rotfl: