swisspilot
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I can, but as I will at no point be an actual resident there is no enforcement possible I think
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I can, but as I will at no point be an actual resident there is no enforcement possible I think
swisspilot
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This is what I`m trying to do
Screaming_Emu
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Unless you are somehow furthering your career by making some HUGE leap in experience, I'd tell anyone who is wanting you to sign a training contract to stick it up their ass.
swisspilot
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well this is not the US...
In Kenya when you get hired to fly a 206, the company is going to invest 8000-10000 USDs before you are on the line on a 206!!!....lets compare apples to apples please
I asked the company to reduce the contract to one year, which is also the length of the work visa, the training bond will have to be the actual training cost and it will be reduced by 1/12 each month of work so that at the end of the contract it will equal zero.
I think this would be a fair offer, still not the best but a lot better from where we started
swisspilot
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name me a place outside the US that doesn`t have a training contract for this type of operation where an expat is required to hold Work and residence permit? even on smaller planes like 206-208
My career is based on my goals, not on what people think a pilot should become over years. If I can get closer to my goal flying a 206 rather then an ERJ then I would do that, even if it would come at the same price...but I get your point.
About a year ago I was making twice as much an ERJ FO does, in a 206, on a part time schedule. To be honest I don`t care about the plane, it`s all about QOL and having fun.
darrenf
resident denizen
swisspilot
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I`m trying to find a solution, rather then just walking away from it.
I agree with many of the inputs, but somehow wanna find a way to make it work now.
It`s also hard to discuss this subjects on an US aviation oriented forum... it`s like writing on an European forum, if you would work for 18K USD a year for a regional airline, everybody would tell you to walk away from it....our maid use to make more then that. But I try to analyze the situations outside my background, I asked how it was up in AK, because it is the only place I know of in the US with a similar aviation...
but trust me I appreciate everybody that contributes, and some of the inputs helped me out with the decision
Skåning
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Hey! Don't be a hater!
USMCmech
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What are your long term aviation goals?
It seems from your posts that you want to be a bush pilot. The place to do that in the US is Alaska, and with your times you could get a job there this upcoming season.
Training bonds may be common in Europe and the rest of the world, but here in the US only less desirable companies have them. A quality company that pays well, has well maintained equipment, and treats it's employees like human beings shouldn't need to hold the threat of a lawsuit over potential employees heads.
PositionAndHold
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This really is only partly true. There are many good corporate jobs that have some type of contract at least for the first year. We like to tell ourselves that a reputable operator doesn't need one if they treat their employees well. The problem is I know of several good places that did just that only to get burned. Unfortunately there are some super D Bags amongst us. Guys get their 15-20k type only to go back to their other/airline job a month or two later. Or people that have several apps in at other employers and hop from job to job at the drop of a hat. It happens. Until we weed out the A-holes it will continue to happen. Now if a company continues to require one after the first year of service, that might be a bit much. I think if you prove to them you're not a complete tard, show up on time and do your job well, they in turn owe you the same respect. Every job opportunity is different, look at the whole picture before making a decision to accept or reject a job. Don't just base it on a singular thing.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I agree that one must look at the totality of the circumstances, and I wouldn't really blink at a one year training contract that reflects that actual cost of training. But $12k for a 206 for THREE YEARS? That smells a lot like indentured servitude to me...
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
+1
I signed a training contract for my first 135 job. It was for 12 months and covered about 1/2 the training cost. I think that this was fair.
My boss also amended it because there was a possibility that we would have to relocate due to my wife's job in 8 months. They understood that this would be outside my control and had no problem with it. Happily we did not have to move and I stayed there for 3 more years.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Yeah, if memory serves, I signed one at every 135 freight job I ever had. I was lucky in that I always worked for good companies run by decent guys, and it was obvious that the contract was there to protect them from being screwed, rather than to keep a captive workforce. But the other side does exist...personally, in this particular case, I would run not walk...
PositionAndHold
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I agree in this case it seems a bit on the fishy side. I was just responding to this part of your post..
"but here in the US only less desirable companies have them. "
I just didn't want others to think this was always the case, and it can be fair to both parties under the right circumstance. It seems that you agree as well.
swisspilot
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I kind of like this type of flying, one of my plans is to slowly get into seaplane flying, the long term goal is to operate my own little company, in 2012 I came close into leasing a 206, I already operated one for a small outfit (just didn`t owned the assets), unfortunately they decided to lease the airplane to an other operator..
Moving back to the US seems the best plan of action, my gf is done with South America and she can`t wait to get back, not sure if AK is something for her, she is a Brazilian raised on Southern California...will see
Cessna414JJB
Unknown Member
If you are currently abroad and have an opportunity on your hands (elsewhere non-U.S.) I would absolutely not consider moving back into the U.S. IOW, if I had an opportunity to leave the U.S. that would replace my current income with something that has to do with aviation, I would be gone like the wind, no matter what the training contract would spell out. In most cases, people who do have to take training contracts do so because they either know that they are
a.) Unenforcable
b.) Not enforceable due to lack of assets
c.) Straight out illegal and null & void if brought to court.
You will do some of the most amazing flying of your life in Africa, S. America, India, or the Arabs and eventually more doors will open. The U.S. aviation market is bound to collapse and sell out to China within the next 2-5 years.
A GF isn't a good enough reason to go back to Nanny & Police State U.S. Lots of us are trying to get out.
Once this country starts to overcome its current hiccup (if it does which is highly questionable) and comes out on the other end without mass graveyards it might become interesting again. For now, the U.S. is lame duck and that goes for seaplanes, especially.
Small airplanes are on the chopping block, what can't be taxed and penalized out of the sky will be taken by TSA idiocy and drone protection.
a.) Unenforcable
b.) Not enforceable due to lack of assets
c.) Straight out illegal and null & void if brought to court.
You will do some of the most amazing flying of your life in Africa, S. America, India, or the Arabs and eventually more doors will open. The U.S. aviation market is bound to collapse and sell out to China within the next 2-5 years.
A GF isn't a good enough reason to go back to Nanny & Police State U.S. Lots of us are trying to get out.
Once this country starts to overcome its current hiccup (if it does which is highly questionable) and comes out on the other end without mass graveyards it might become interesting again. For now, the U.S. is lame duck and that goes for seaplanes, especially.
Small airplanes are on the chopping block, what can't be taxed and penalized out of the sky will be taken by TSA idiocy and drone protection.
swisspilot
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Nice comment!
going back to the US is not an Aviation matter only, I grew up in Europe but lived a bit in the US too, I miss it, maybe because in the past 3 years I have only been there for 2/3 weeks at the time I don`t get the whole picture.
Bet you are a Libertarian?
Stone Cold
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Where are you at now? I think I missed something...did you leave the former job in the 75/76?