To Pilot602 (and a lesson to all commuting pilots)

Timbuff10 said:
Are we talking fines, arrest, or a eye roll and try again?
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I can't find the paperwork right now but the fines range upwards of $250,000. We had a TSA agent staking out our crew room in CLT a few weeks ago, looking through everybody's bag who was not in uniform.
 
BobDDuck said:
I can't find the paperwork right now but the fines range upwards of $250,000. We had a TSA agent staking out our crew room in CLT a few weeks ago, looking through everybody's bag who was not in uniform.
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That is totally redonkulous.

Taxpayers paying the government to look for shampoo in the gddamn crew bags.
 
'Yeah Man, they dragged him out of here in cuffs. They say he was trying to smuggle in Poland Springs.'

'I heard it was Aquafina!'
 
BobDDuck said:
I can't find the paperwork right now but the fines range upwards of $250,000. We had a TSA agent staking out our crew room in CLT a few weeks ago, looking through everybody's bag who was not in uniform.
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You know what is funny... The reason the rule on liquids was created was so that it would make the checkpoints flow better as all the liquids would be located in one place and one place only, the baggie.

Now they are going through the sterile area doing secondary searches on something that isn't a security issue, but a procedureal isssue. That is truley messed up.

I also can't believe they could fine someone for this and actually get away with it.
 
Ok, so maybe I'm outta the loop a little too much these days, but WHY exactly are liquids banned from airline flights? is it because it could be flammables? Alcohol? Or because they want to make you buy/use their beverages? Does this apply to regionals?

What about smaller airports with connecting flights? I flew from Witchita Falls to LIT with a connection in Dallas, and the WF airport didn't have TSA, and after I was in DAL secure area, there was no checking of my bag.
 
gypsimac said:
Ok, so maybe I'm outta the loop a little too much these days, but WHY exactly are liquids banned from airline flights? is it because it could be flammables? Alcohol? Or because they want to make you buy/use their beverages? Does this apply to regionals?

What about smaller airports with connecting flights? I flew from Witchita Falls to LIT with a connection in Dallas, and the WF airport didn't have TSA, and after I was in DAL secure area, there was no checking of my bag.
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Because people could sneak in explosive chemicals inside shampoo bottles or some such thing. :confused:.
 
I understand safety, but seriously, there will ALWAYS be loopholes. *sigh* uh, I guess we have to take all the precautions we can ... I have an idea, lets make everyone vomit before they get on the plane, and also have a monitored lav to remove all the excriment from their bowels just incase they've got condoms filled with anthrax.

Also, no clips in your hair because they could be used to gouge eyes ... wait, folks could use a crapload of gel in their hair, and roll their head in gunpowder to make a literal human torch, so everyone that flies gets a shaved head. Is that a necklace sir? or is that a choking device? That crucifix could be considered a lethal weapon. Shoelaces, are you effin CRAZY????

Here's the solution ... send your personal effects via the freight chase plane, check your clothes at the gate, here's your hospital robe and traction socks, pad the cabin and hand out little cuppets of capsulated lethargy, better yet, use the pressurization system to circulate chloroform to the cabin. Enjoy your flight.

(Payroll will be happy not to have to pay FAs anymore :D)
 
It's actually better to go through the main TSA line in MEM now than to use the employee turnstiles. That's effed up right there. Go through the line, and you're just like the rest of the passengers (except you don't have to surrender your toothpaste and contact solution). Go through the turnstile (which requires a SIDA badge and a personal code to access), and you're welcomed with open arms by the TSA on the other side who will open your bag, hand check it, and pat you down. Seriously. I guess every employee with a SIDA badge that goes through there is automatically a selectee. Makes no sense to me.

I heard ALPA was working with TSA to get some kind of CrewPass thing that runs on biometrics that would just allow us to go straight on through. Hate to break it to Kip Hawley and crew, but I don't even need a bottle of water if I wanted to take my own plane down. How many felons have turned up working at the TSA? I'd say the airline background checks of their employees are a little bit more effective.

I heard a bunch of John Q Public people while I was in line to get through security in MEM the other day, and they were NOT happy. Here's just some of the nuggets I overheard:

Passenger: "Wow. Why do you guys have to do this?"
Me: "I guess to make sure we're not a threat or something."
Passenger: "That's stupid. I mean, you're the one flying the thing right? Checking to make sure you don't have a gun or something wouldn't stop you from crashing us."
Me: "Uh....yeah. Where are you going again?"

Apparently there was a TSA "town hall" meeting in MEM that day, too. We witnessed no less than six TSA people stride right up to the metal detector have a "Yo wasssup" conversation with the person running it....then set the damn thing off.....multiple times.

"Oh man. Must be my cel phone."
BEEP BEEP
"Oh...yeah. My belt."
BEEP BEEP
"$&*# man. I got change, too."

This happened at least four or five times. The passenger in front of me said "Damn. If they don't know what sets the thing off, then I know *I* feel safe. How is this better than before 9/11?"
 
See.... I don't have that problem. I don't commute. Problem solved.

That said - I have gone through security in my uniform for a D2, then changed on the other side....walked right by security...said "hello" to the the same guy who I had spoken to on the way out of security...had no problem.
 
Chris_Ford said:
They have watched uniformed members go into bathrooms and come out in civvies. Checked the bag and since they're in civvies, its a "violation"
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A violation, against who? The TSA, for letting a, now, civvy through, with liquids, and gels that are over 3oz? Unless they make a written rule against doing so, a person should be allowed to change, past security. I've seen passengers do it, why not crew?
 
ready2fly said:
See.... I don't have that problem. I don't commute. Problem solved.

That said - I have gone through security in my uniform for a D2, then changed on the other side....walked right by security...said "hello" to the the same guy who I had spoken to on the way out of security...had no problem.
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I'd honestly have to say he didn't recognize you out of uniform....despite the huge melon. :)

I see some of the same TSA people on a near daily basis here in MEM. Went through one day in street clothes, said hello to one by name, and she looked at me like I had a second head.

"Oh haaay! I didn't recognize ya without that tie and thingies on yur shoulder!"
 
kellwolf said:
I'd honestly have to say he didn't recognize you out of uniform....despite the huge melon. :)

I see some of the same TSA people on a near daily basis here in MEM. Went through one day in street clothes, said hello to one by name, and she looked at me like I had a second head.

"Oh haaay! I didn't recognize ya without that tie and thingies on yur shoulder!"
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Could be. Also could be that he didn't care.
 
Doug Taylor said:
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Iiiiiiidiot. I'm sure he's a nice guy, loves scotch and plays a mean round of golf, but Kip Hawley, yet again, is indicative of why you don't want political appointees in positions dealing with gravity, sharp objects or skilled professionals.
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Well, then the Kipper is perfect. There are NO skilled professionals at the TSA.
 
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