To disclose or not to disclose?

Chief Captain

Chief Captain

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So here’s my story:

I did my private while I was overseas but busted it and had to re-do it. I converted to the FAA cert and did all my other checkrides (IFR, CPL, CFI etc) under the FAA and have not had any subsequent failures. Should I include this failure on airlineapps, or are airlines only concerned with FAA failures?

To be clear, I have no problem in admitting that I busted my ride, but at the same time, I don’t want to raise unnecessary red flags if the airlines are only concerned with FAA busts.
 
I'd report it, FAA or not, don't try and hide something. Be up front and explain it when you're asked about it.
 
Chief Captain said:
So here’s my story:

I did my private while I was overseas but busted it and had to re-do it. I converted to the FAA cert and did all my other checkrides (IFR, CPL, CFI etc) under the FAA and have not had any subsequent failures. Should I include this failure on airlineapps, or are airlines only concerned with FAA failures?

To be clear, I have no problem in admitting that I busted my ride, but at the same time, I don’t want to raise unnecessary red flags if the airlines are only concerned with FAA busts.
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I'm probably going to get slamed for this, but here goes. It depends on how the questioon is asked. If they specifically include the word "FAA" I personally would say no. You get off on a technicality. If they ask "for any certificate or rating" then I'd answer yes. Like I said, it depends on the way the question is asked.

Look at it like this. Say you were arrested for a possible DUI, taken down to the police station and gave blood that showed a BAC of .03. On an application they ask if they ask "Have you ever been convicted of a misdomeanor or felony," would you answer yes to it? Better yet would you answer "I was arrested once for a DUI but not charged?" Answer the question, don't give someone a reason to pass over you application.
 
etflies said:
I'd report it, FAA or not, don't try and hide something. Be up front and explain it when you're asked about it.
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It depends on the nature of the question. If not asked the right question, what is being hidden? Think about it like a checkride. When asked a question on a checkride, what did your instructor tell you? I remember all of mine telling me "Answer the question, don't volunter ANY information."
 
It all depends on how the question is written on the airline apps. Some specifically say FAA and other say any. I see no harm in being completely honest here. You have taken several checkrides since the pvt and passed and there is no pattern of failures, it may just become a talking point during an interview. Just take ownership, admit responsibility and what you learned from it. If in doubt it better to list it on an app than not. If an employer finds out after the fact and takes issue with it you will not be given the opportunity to defend it you just get fired out of training. This happend in one of my classes. Mgmt walked in told us xyz had a ommission on his app and was terminated. He was then escorted out.
 
One airline asks:

Have you ever failed a checkride...if so, which one?

That's easy...YES




The next airline asks:

Have you ever failed any FAA checkride
Have you ever failed any FAA oral

How many failed checkrides?
If yes, which one(s)?

The second airline is the one that's giving me trouble. Again, I have no problem admitting my bust, but I don't want some computer to reject my app because of one mistake I made years ago.
 
My opinion is that one bust isn't going to keep you from being hired or put you lower in the stack. If they find out and think you hid something even though the wording is on your side, they will straight up send you home.
 
Why would you NOT want to disclose a failure? You are just asking for trouble in trying to lawyer the question.

This falls in the same category as the questions that pop up on APC and other airline forums about military checkride busts and stage checks at flight schools. You can't go wrong just fessing up to them (unless, of course, there are a lot of busts in there!).
 
I have the same issue. I busted a 121 checkride and back in flight school I busted an oral for a stage check at my part 141 school. I have an interview tomorrow and the questionaire asks, "Have you failed ANY training event, checkride, transition or attempt to upgrade?"

Even though that stage check way back when won't show up on any records, I'm thinking I better disclose it. That stage check is not an FAA ride. Unless they can decipher my logbooks I'd doubt they'd be able to find it either.
 
Hacker15e said:
Why would you NOT want to disclose a failure? You are just asking for trouble in trying to lawyer the question.

This falls in the same category as the questions that pop up on APC and other airline forums about military checkride busts and stage checks at flight schools. You can't go wrong just fessing up to them (unless, of course, there are a lot of busts in there!).
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Bingo.
 
Chief Captain said:
I did my private while I was overseas but busted it and had to re-do it. I converted to the FAA cert and did all my other checkrides
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Chief Captain said:
One airline asks:

Have you ever failed a checkride...if so, which one?

That's easy...YES




The next airline asks:

Have you ever failed any FAA checkride
Have you ever failed any FAA oral

How many failed checkrides?
If yes, which one(s)?

The second airline is the one that's giving me trouble. Again, I have no problem admitting my bust, but I don't want some computer to reject my app because of one mistake I made years ago.
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This should be easy too. You didn't take that checkride with the FAA did you? You failed it with another agency, then converted them over, correct? From what I see; Have you failed a checkride? Yes. Have you failed a FAA checkride? No.


mshunter said:
"Answer the question, don't volunter ANY information."
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:yeahthat:
 
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