TMAAT...

killbilly

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Tell me about a time that you felt like you sucked as a student and wondered if you were making a mistake pursuing training, however irrational you knew that feeling to be.

Bonus weight given to stories/anecdotes about your instrument rating experiences and feeling like you were possibly the worst student in the history of aviation.
 
Metro training. I had been doing single engine ILS's all week and was looking forward to my weekend so on our Saturday flight to the outstation my instructor pulled out all the tricks he could think of. To date that was the worst flight of my life because I just couldn't keep up with the plane and all the situations that were being thrown at me. It felt like my brain had melted and I couldn't process anything that was going on. Once we finally finished the flight I wanted nothing to do with flying. I took the weekend and didn't even look at a book so I could let everything decompress and allow myself to relax and get back in the groove of flying. When Monday rolled around I felt much better because I had taken a step back and looked at the big picture and accepted that everyone has those days and sometimes all you can do is just roll with the punches. That's my 2 cents
 
Here it goes...

While I was working on my IR, I hit a few plateaus. First one was holding pattern entries, two lessons were nothing but holding patterns and learning how to enter a holding pattern after my CFI would give me the instruction, I messed up pretty much everyone. So what I did was sit myself down in the PCATD, and had someone give me holding pattern instructions while I was still flying. This took about 9-10 hours of PCATD time. Especially NDB holds, which were a requirement in my flight training syllabus.

Then when it came time for my stage check during the approach phase, I found out I was flying with the Assistant Chief Pilot. I wanted to make a good impression as I knew I would want to instruct for this school at a later date. The weather was typical of a late fall Northwest day, the instructor asked me if I was comfortable proceeding with the stage check knowing we would be encountering IMC. I said that I was fine with it as I have had a few hours actual prior to that point, plus the whole point of the IR was to fly in clouds right?? The flight started out fine, departed IFR and shot a VOR-A into a local airport. After the missed, things got hairy. I was not the greatest with the GX50, an older GPS unit that was not very user friendly in my opinion. Portland approach asked us what our next intentions were, I told them I was going to hold as published on the missed then would like the ILS into Hillsboro. At this point the CFI said there was no need to do the hold, so we told ATC we were ready for vectors for the ILS. The ILS had a DME arc, this arc was off of a VOR. I was having a hard time with the arc, then it came time to intercept the LOC. At which point I did not switch the frequency as needed, we continued on the arc while I was stumbling around trying to brief the approach. As we were about to blow through the LOC, my CFI took controls since we were in IMC. He then swapped freqs and intercepted the course having to correct for my deviation. He let me know right then and there that I failed the stage check and would need to "re-train on precision approaches". This had me feeling low, very low. I had made a fool out of myself in front of someone who would potentially be interviewing me later on. I again sat in the PCATD and practiced for hours on end, until I could shoot that approach and nail it every time. After another flight with my regular CFI, it was time to give it another crack. It went better that time around and I passed.

Next was my IFR checkride, I had studied like a mad man for days in preparation for the exam. I felt as if I knew my stuff as well as I should and that I would be fine. About two hours later, after feeling like a shotgun blast of questions were answered some what correctly, my DPE looked at me and asked me how I felt I was doing. I said that I was feeling okay, besides a few areas that I obviously needed some more work on. At that point I knew I had failed the oral, however, her response was... Yeah, you are making it really hard for me to pass you. I have noticed this trend with students lately, what kind of ground are you getting in this program? Going through the two year degree at the school I was in, ground was all online and self paced. Only a few hours were spent with my CFI covering the PTS as far as ground questions and scenarios. She ended up passing me but told me that I was very borderline. That sank in and messed with my confidence, not to mention the flight was canceled due to freezing levels. So a week or so went by to let my embarrassing performance ferment in my mind. I ended up passing the flight portion, but still questioned my knowledge on certain areas.

All in all there were many times in my training where I told myself, this is not for me. It is how you react to that feeling of doubt that will define you as a student pilot. If we naturally already knew everything, then what would be the point of training? Throughout my training, the failures really were the big learning experiences. They not only humbled me as a pilot, but motivated me to study that much harder and to overcome that feeling of failure. Towards the end of my commercial training, I had an incident that really hit me hard. I actually started to feel depressed, that I would never recover from this incident. I wanted to hang my hat up, and walk away from aviation all together. Then that voice inside me, along with the support of my mentors and friends pushed me through. A few months later I had that ticket in my hand, that ticket that says you can now fly for compensation or hire. That honestly was the best day I have had in my flight training so far, even better than my first solo.

Dang Dong that was long....
 
All my ratings went well, until I started working on my CFI. I'm currently wallowing in a shallow pool of pity and low self esteem...FOI stuff is literally in one ear and out the other. I think mainly because I see no practical use for it (though I know there is) but since I haven't experienced it, I've hit a mental block. It'll get better buddy, maybe take a step back for a few days, don't think about anything airplane related, come back with a fresh mind. You'll get that light bulb moment!
 
The difference between my IR checkride and doing 66HIT 11.5 months later was amazing, no pressure and you can suddenly do them at 120 knots. I did some multi flying inbetween but nothing that related. IR is tricky, so it takes practice, I'd definitely stay ahead of the aircraft though, get the approach briefed and the pre landing check done so you reduce the multitasking.

Have you watched some YouTube/training videos of instrument approaches, it might help if you see how others do it, maybe even backseat on another training flight.
 
Yeah. Feeling like nothing is clicking on IR training right now. Kind of on my own for ground, and wondering if I'm not as good a book-student as I thought I was....

Le sigh.
 
Yeah the ground isn't easy, especially on how the system is meant to work. Have you done the long cross country etc? That's good for tieing it all together as a whole.

Any particular ground topics you feel weaker on?
 
I am a hack, have always been a hack, and will remain a hack until the day I die.

Just keep giving 100%. You'll get there. If you're having problems with self teaching maybe study a few fundamental of instruction things out of the CFI books. I'd say look at the levels of learning: rote, understanding, application, and correlation. Tailor your lessons in that manner. I think getting out and using the info as you learn it is key, even if it's Microsoft flight sim actually using the info you are learning helps elevate into the higher levels of learning much faster.
 
For CFIs, teaching others informally really helps, even if you're a quiet person, just saying hi, what're you working on is great, you get teaching practice for free.

For IR, practice, either in the trainer, or on the ground. Write down your plan for each step of an approach, down to tune, identify, select xxx, then at the iaf, turn to x, descend to y, etc, it might help you order what you would do, there's a lot going on, and eventually you will prompt yourself.
 
Yeah. Feeling like nothing is clicking on IR training right now. Kind of on my own for ground, and wondering if I'm not as good a book-student as I thought I was....

Le sigh.

For some reason, I haven't found a comprehensive text book that covers everything you need to know. Even now, there are things that catch me by surprise.

What's your training frequency like? I bet that is 90% of your problem. I never really struggled with the instrument rating, mainly because I was flying 3-4 times a week. If you are only getting to fly a few times a month, it will have a serious impact on your instrument skills.

Do you have MS Flight sim? Believe it or not, it helps a ton with your scan, and procedures, like holding and approaches, because you can go back and see your track.

What are you having problems with specifically?
 
Have you tried riding in the back while someone else is doing their IR training? That would always really help me as you can still follow through with all the procedures in the "real" world but the pressure is not there.
 
My first commercial instructor made me feel like I was the worst pilot ever to step into an airplane. This was weird because my last instructor had made me feel like a rock star and I had just came off a successful instrument ride. So I went to the previous instructor and asked what I was doing wrong, because I could not communicate with the new one ("what I am doing wrong?" "Everything, do it like the books says, do it agian." - not very helpful). He said to get a new instructor, which I did, and suddenly everything was ok, except the grand or so I wasted with the previous one.
 
Sounds like a common thread in GA flight training, for lacking good ground instruction. This is where all of the learning takes place - not in the airplane! I'm sorry you're having to endure this in what sounds like a subpar program, but hang in there. I'll second some advice above about using a PCATD/Desktop sim - helped me immensely in the partial panel portion. It's harder to fly than the actual airplane, so once you start to feel confident with it, the airplane should be easy.

If you're not getting good interactive ground instruction, I'd recommend forming your own study group, if possible. If nothing else, you're doing the right thing by reaching out here. Hang in there. The IR is up there with initial CFI for being the toughest ride.
 
Honestly I felt that way through all my training. I struggled, and would keep making mistakes. It was so frustrating. I ended failing four checkrides. But I just kept going and once I got out of training and started flying for a living it all started making sense. Over time I have gotten more confident in my flying and it all gets easier.
 
Presolo at my school, I had a day where I thought to myself "Is this really what I want to do?" Really discouraged by a tough instructor, and the pressure that was placed on me at the time. I decided I'd keep going, and see where it took me. Did that flight and never looked back. I accept plateaus and keep on going.

The quote in my signature sums up how I go about life.

"Many of life’s failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."

Not very much of a TMAAT story, but it's seriously what kept me going, and still keeps my going.
 
I feel an emo thread developing.

Not hardly.

For some reason, I haven't found a comprehensive text book that covers everything you need to know. Even now, there are things that catch me by surprise.

What's your training frequency like? I bet that is 90% of your problem. I never really struggled with the instrument rating, mainly because I was flying 3-4 times a week. If you are only getting to fly a few times a month, it will have a serious impact on your instrument skills.

Do you have MS Flight sim? Believe it or not, it helps a ton with your scan, and procedures, like holding and approaches, because you can go back and see your track.

What are you having problems with specifically?

Training frequency has been part of the problem, yes. Both funds and weather have been limiting factors. I've eliminated the funds problem for a while, so now I just have to fight weather. But - yes - you're right, I've generally flown better when I was flying more. Perishable skills and all that. I do have access to Flight Sim and X-plane, and I suppose I should use them and practice with them. Got any advice on right/wrong ways to do that?

Task overload is part of the problem right now, I think, and it mainly comes from trying to absorb and process so much new information. I looked at my logbook after writing the original post and realized that I'm only ten or so hours into the training. So I know some of this will come with time and more familiarity...I am trying to develop a mental process for flying IFR and I don't have it fully sorted yet.

Appreciate the advice.
 
Yeah. Feeling like nothing is clicking on IR training right now. Kind of on my own for ground, and wondering if I'm not as good a book-student as I thought I was....

I kinda think that's the norm.

Suddenly everything you learn comes together and you start nailing the approaches. I'd be spending a lot of time on MSFS (We didn't have that tool in 1978) learning to scan, enter holding patterns, shooting approaches and going missed. Fly the complete procedure, any little girl can do vectors to final.
 
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Task overload is part of the problem right now, I think, and it mainly comes from trying to absorb and process so much new information. I looked at my logbook after writing the original post and realized that I'm only ten or so hours into the training. So I know some of this will come with time and more familiarity...I am trying to develop a mental process for flying IFR and I don't have it fully sorted yet.

One of the consistent problems that I see students have during training is that they over complicate everything. IFR flying is actually simpler in many ways than VFR flying. This is important because when flying in IMC you are using a large amount of your working memory to keep the wings level.

Remember the KISS (keep it simple stupid) principle. I also recommend taking a CFII on a IFR cross-country during nice weather. This helps to see what a normal IFR flight looks like before you add crappy weather.
 
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