Tipping the hotel van driver

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Bumblebee said:
Quit flying? Really?
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You say that like it's unthinkable. Maybe something more like "Quit flying or stop whining". The market regulates everyone else's profession by drying up the supply of labor when conditions get too crappy. Yet now we're talking about guys who at least think they can't afford to throw a van driver a hot dollar twice a day...and these guys are comparing themselves to Doctors (sometimes FAVORABLY!)

And forgive me, but I think you weren't looking hard enough if you didn't know what the job was going to pay.

The real reason low time pilots get paid crap is that low time pilots are willing to work for crap because they want to be high time pilots. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
 
Boris Badenov said:
You say that like it's unthinkable. Maybe something more like "Quit flying or stop whining". The market regulates everyone else's profession by drying up the supply of labor when conditions get too crappy. Yet now we're talking about guys who at least think they can't afford to throw a van driver a hot dollar twice a day...and these guys are comparing themselves to Doctors (sometimes FAVORABLY!)

And forgive me, but I think you weren't looking hard enough if you didn't know what the job was going to pay.

The real reason low time pilots get paid crap is that low time pilots are willing to work for crap because they want to be high time pilots. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
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YES.
 
Boris Badenov said:
The real reason low time pilots get paid crap is that low time pilots are willing to work for crap because they want to be high time pilots. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
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I agree with this...

Boris Badenov said:
And forgive me, but I think you weren't looking hard enough if you didn't know what the job was going to pay.
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I didn't say I didn't know how they were going to pay Boris...I said I didn't know how we were going to be treated...much different.

Boris Badenov said:
But what's really amazing is that the pilots take the jobs knowing full well how they're going to be treated.
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this is what I responded to...
I have never been so disrespected until I went on reserve and they called me the first time. I have done what I can to change this environment, and now have worked very hard on changing MY environment.

If I would have quit flying, I would not have the opportunities I have now. I did not complain, and I worked hard to get where I am, but I also do not sit from on high and judge others. Nearly every single one of you who have a good job now had to work for much less and pay your dues (at some point in your life). If not you wouldn't appreciate the job you have.
 
Boris Badenov said:
And forgive me, but I think you weren't looking hard enough if you didn't know what the job was going to pay.

The real reason low time pilots get paid crap is that low time pilots are willing to work for crap because they want to be high time pilots. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
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Low time doctors get paid crap too. They also work very long shifts.
 
Yeah, BB, you're getting mixed in with the no-tippers...unfairly, it turns out. I doubt that anyone could foresee the working conditions at a regional unless they really WANTED to. I'd like to see more people want to know exactly what they're getting in to. Maybe that's something JC can help with.
 
JaceTheAce said:
Driving a hotel van in snowy weather with only a high school diploma required versus flying a turboprop for 8 legs on 14 hour duty in crappy Northeast icing/turbulent weather (with all the other associated qualifications requirements)?

I think the latter is much more mentally exhausting (much more fun, but much more exhausting).
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So getting a high school diploma and taking out 100K in student loans to get a job making 20K a year makes you any different than the van driver? I don't think so.

Do you tip your bartender? Server? Its the same thing, its customary to tip unless the guys a jerk or doesn't do the agreed upon job. What you are saying is that because you have a crappy job that its OK and that you will take it out on other people who just like you are only trying to get by. At least have the balls and tell the guy "I'll get my own bags today, I chose to take a job that doesn't pay me enough to tip you your customary dollar but please understand its nothing against you." But as Boris said, this is America and you have the right not to tip, just as I have the right to think you are making up excuses to somehow justify being cheap.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Yeah, BB, you're getting mixed in with the no-tippers...unfairly, it turns out. I doubt that anyone could foresee the working conditions at a regional unless they really WANTED to. I'd like to see more people want to know exactly what they're getting in to. Maybe that's something JC can help with.
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You can be told how great sex is and not really know until you have the experience...

you can be told how terrible it is to see someone die, and not really know until you have the experience...

you can be told how hard it is to run a marathon, and not really know until you experience it...

so why couldn't you be told how much it sucks to be on reserve at a regional and not really know until you experience it?


that is why we should not sit in such black and white, no room for understanding judgment of others, ever.

oh and by the way nearly all of my FO's tip and most of the FA's as well.;)
 
A-300F4-622R said:
Then they come on the internet and complain about it and hope the government will mandate pay raises for them and hope that the majors will give them seniority numbers at mainline because they fly the same passengers as a mainline carrier. I know, there I go generalizing again.
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Nah, that's not "generalizing", that's called "making crap up to artificially boost your self-esteem" for what reasons, I don't know.

I don't want this to seem like the scene from "No Country For Old Men" where Javier Bardem's character loosens the valve on the captive bolt pistol with that eery "hiss", but I clicked this link and did a little reading and, well, quite frankly, it's starting to make my neck itch a little.

You know that weird feeling you get and that psychosomatic tendency to scratch when you don't really itch? Kind of like sticking out your tongue when you're threading a needle? Rhythmically tapping your fingers when you're on hold?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, that's not "generalizing", that's called "making crap up to artificially boost your self-esteem" for what reasons, I don't know.

but I clicked this link and did a little reading and, well, quite frankly, it's starting to make my neck itch a little.
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you mean the fact that instead of mentoring and trying to influence positive changes in the attitudes of the regional crowd here, he continues to hold himself above all others and spits down upon us lowly regional trash?

I have tried to get to him, but he won't answer my honest queries...
 
Bumblebee said:
he is talking about a career regional pilot...although I know of several at my company who make over 100k a year, with much less than 20 years.
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and I know of one with less than 10 years who should clear that as well....
 
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