Timmy's baaack...

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DE727UPS said:
I thought it depended on which hemisphere you were in at the time?
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Nah, it's if you're pro or anti-ALPA. :)


I can see both Joe and Mike's side of things. Basically, Mike is saying it's in the past, let it go. Joe is saying "those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it." At least that's what I'm getting from skimming the novellas. If I'm wrong, either/both of you correct me. There's a time and place for letting things go, and I honestly think people also need a reminder that stuff happened and people aren't always truthful in representing themselves. Maybe Martins felt he'd laid low long enough and things would have blown over. This is where the forgive and forget should go out the window. If Tomcatter came back on here, I have a very hard time believing people (particularly our military members) would be willing to forgive and forget because it was a long time ago. Crap. That was like a decade ago. I'm gonna go drink some Geritol and yell at kids to get off my lawn now.....
 
ClarkGriswold said:
What is this Tomcatter and Air Algerie story?
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Not sure anyone addressed this besides the "It's old."

IIRC, someone using the anonymity of the internet claimed they were a hot shot military pilot. MikeD and the Super Sleuths basically proved him a compete fraud in a spectacular fashion. Much popcorn. Many laughs.
 
jynxyjoe said:
...I absolutely mimicked MikeD s debate style in as absurd a way as possible with the hopes he either became more aware of it or that he was annoyed by it. If that has consequences then I expect to be warned accordingly. You want me to be careful treading, to me that says you wish me to not ever mimic again or act as parody and that seems tough to do. I may not do it to the mods or admins often but I parody with quite a lot of regularity, perhaps my crutch. Im done reading and replying to miked and if the software changes I welcome the chance to add him to the ignore. In the meantime can you clarify what you mean by tread careful?....
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Mimicking is for 3rd graders. I send my kids to my room when they do that.

Make a point. Back it up with facts, reasoning and logic. Leave personal attacks out of it. If mimicking is your crutch, get another one.

Period.
 
So...

Can we get back to how we as professionals should hold each other to the highest standards of integrity?

K thanks.

Go away Timmy.
 
surreal1221 said:
So...

Can we get back to how we as professionals should hold each other to the highest standards of integrity?
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Easiest way is make sure non professionals (Timmaahh!) don't ever end up in the industry.

So I think what he did is still very relevant. I certainly don't stay awake at night thinking about it, but I'd certainly go out of my way to make sure he (or somebody who did something like he did) was never, ever hired where I work.
 
BobDDuck said:
Easiest way is make sure non professionals (Timmaahh!) don't ever end up in the industry.

So I think what he did is still very relevant. I certainly don't stay awake at night thinking about it, but I'd certainly go out of my way to make sure he (or somebody who did something like he did) was never, ever hired where I work.
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That's all well and good. I would only say to people to be careful with how they do things such as affecting his work, employment; only because someone like him is now a walking "I'm discriminated against!" case, when it comes to any perceived injustice against them, part and parcel from what has brought that attention to them in the first place. That's the only reason that I advise cohorts of mine to not go chasing him around the Internet like some want to, simply due to potential legal crap they don't need. Ole Martins is sleeping in the bed of his own creation, as well he should.
 
Derg said:
I know, far, far too much reading.

Why people find themselves so bent out of shape IN MY GOSH DAMNED LIVING ROOM, is beyond me.
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I only get bent out of shape over stale chips and flat beer. The rest of this is just downright ludicrous. Tell them to take it to the back porch. Oh, and your "Low Salsa" light is on.
 
I have no idea who the hell Tim Martins is or was. He is one pilot out of the tens of thousands of pilots in this country. He pulled some b.s. in his resume or perhaps in what he posted on here or made himself out to be (I am assuming he was a member here for a time?). Depending on what all transpired, yeah that can be bad. But he's degraded himself and not the profession in all reality. If his company wants to feature him in it's ads (and it appears they are featuring other pilots who work for them as well) so what? Karma is a true bitch and hits everyone at some point in their lives. Maybe because I wasn't here and saw whatever happened or know who he is, I am viewing this as an impartial outsider. he he posed at a Vet, I would have serious issues as that. If he posed as a member of the FDNY, I would also have issues with that. I might have issues with several things....again I have no idea what transpired.

But he is one person. What he does currently effects others how exactly? It's funny that professional standards are mentioned on this thread and yet I have read some very unprofessional rants on here, most of what was posted in one of them doesn't even seem coherent to me or make sense to me, were rude, over the top, out of control attacking, unnecessary, misleading, false and childish. Made me shake my head and wonder if someone doesn't issues far beyond this subject matter.

Perhaps a witch hunt could be started to find all the other pilots out there who are not "professional" for whatever reasons. I have read some things on this site that make me wonder how the hell some people can even be charged with flying a plane for a living and what kind of psychological tests are being handed out these days, in truth. Where's the outrage in these cases? There are some members here that I wouldn't want to spend 5 minutes in a cockpit with. Perhaps some feel the same about me. That's okay. I accept that. But all this bravado over one person who no one here has even met in person or knows anything about currently......what's the point? And then attacking and belittling another member here who tried only to bring some reason to the discussion....again I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with some people. You aren't doing yourself any favors by doing this, believe me. You think this makes this site a better place for everyone? It doesn't. It's just asinine and shameful.

If someone feels that strongly about him, hell you know where he is, go hunt him out and punch him in the face if you think that will accomplish anything as opposed to some of the crap I have read here. That or just simply get the hell over it already. Anything has to be better than attacking others on here who did NOTHING to deserve such attacks.

Looking inward at one's own behavior instead of trying to justify said behavior, might be a better course. That or go do something of actual value and importance in your life. In the grand scheme of things and 20 years later, who the hell will even give two chits over any of this? Tim Martin .........will I remember him......... not so much. But I will remember what was said to someone else on here that I do respect and know, how it was said and that little was done about it.
 
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kellwolf said:
Not sure anyone addressed this besides the "It's old."

IIRC, someone using the anonymity of the internet claimed they were a hot shot military pilot. MikeD and the Super Sleuths basically proved him a compete fraud in a spectacular fashion. Much popcorn. Many laughs.
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Such amuse.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Going back to the subject at hand, Tim's latest exploits (in the Talon Air article) suggest he was instrumental in the Colgan 3407 investigation. I know some of you here (@Seggy) actually were part of that investigation, and I'm curious to know if he's possibly lying about that now?
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Sure, here is what happened.

@Cruise was also there with me and can fill in anything I am missing or forget (happened five years ago during the most stressful week of my life).

The Colgan Accident was very different as the Colgan ALPA MEC didn't have any committee structures in place at the time of the accident (it occurred six weeks after we voted in ALPA and didn't have the time to set up the Committee Structures). With that in mind, ALPA National sent about 40 folks from other airlines to Buffalo to help us out on a wide range of items, from the actual accident investigation to folks from the 'Critical Incident Response Program'. Put simply, the CIRP folks are there to help pilots get through stressful moments that come up (as a side note we had volunteers from other airlines in EVERY crew room the morning after the accident thanks to this program to give our pilots someone to talk to). In order to respond there is training requirements and Tim Martins did complete that training. As he was somewhat local, Tim made it up to Buffalo and he was 'on scene' at the hotel a couple hours after I arrived on February 13th, 2009.

Tim was there 'on scene' with about 4 or 5 other CIRP folks. They were there in the background helping out with some administrative items like securing meals, running errands to make sure we had proper clothing (I forgot to pack socks and a jacket), and making sure we were handling the stress properly. From first impression, Tim was a quiet, but like able guy. However, that impression quickly turned to 'huh' to 'something isn't right here'. Over the course of the week we were up there, he would drop that he was in the Air National Guard (ok, I can buy that) and then that he was a NYFD Rescue Diver. When he told me that he was a NYFD Rescue Diver as well, that is when the flags IMMEDIATELY went up in my head. I remember specifically asking him, "Isn't that a full time job, being a rescue diver for the NYFD?". He smile, shrugged it off, and said something like, "there are ways around that".

I knew right then that something was not right there. With everything else going on, I didn't really care or have the time to flush him out for more information to 'explain himself' what he meant by that. I did however ask someone who knew him from his town that was a pilot at Colgan 'what his deal was'. He told me flat out that he was a liar and full of crap. As the next few months went by, I forgot about him.

As the investigation progressed, there were some questionable issues that were going to be raised with the crew, so ALPA Communications wanted to get out ahead of the facts and wanted to do this 'Pilot Professionalism' series in the ALPA Magazine. I think all ALPA Members got an email asking us to nominate pilots to be highlighted in this series. We had a pilot at Colgan who retired from the Air Force as Lieutenant Colonel, if not a full Colonel. Anyway, his last assignment was a pilot for the 89th Airlift Wing, then he went to ATA in the mid 1990s and was a 757 Captain there (among flying their other fleet types) before they shut down and he came to Colgan as a street captain when they did shut down (before we voted ALPA on property street captains were hired). He was involved with the training committee at ATA and after our accident, he saw that we needed help to get our safety programs up and running, he felt he had some experience that would be helpful and volunteered his time as Safety Chair for our MEC. He was a great asset to our pilot group and was the definition of what a professional pilot should be. So I nominated him and he was accepted to be profiled by the ALPA Magazine. The problem was, his profile was scheduled to appear the month after Tim Martins (I had no idea they were profiling Tim, just that the Colgan Pilot's was going to appear 3rd).

When I saw the Tim Martins article for the first time in the magazine , I knew this wasn't going to end well. It obviously wasn't long after that the truth came out.

The gentleman I recommended (@amorris311 knows him as well as @Cruise) for the profile to appear after Tim Martins was very humble that his profile wasn't going to happen and understood. I was LIVID that homework wasn't done with the Tim Martins article and that someone who truly deserved to be profiled was snubbed. I think that is the real sad thing with all of this. A truly deserving individual got snubbed because of a jackass.
 
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Seggy said:
Sure, here is what happened.

@Cruise was also there with me and can fill in anything I am missing or forget (happened five years ago during the most stressful week of my life).

The Colgan Accident was very different as the Colgan ALPA MEC didn't have any committee structures in place at the time of the accident (it occurred six weeks after we voted in ALPA and didn't have the time to set up the Committee Structures). With that in mind, ALPA National sent about 40 folks from other airlines to Buffalo to help us out on a wide range of items, from the actual accident investigation to folks from the 'Critical Incident Response Program'. Put simply, the CIRP folks are there to help pilots get through stressful moments that come up (as a side note we had volunteers from other airlines in EVERY crew room the morning after the accident thanks to this program to give our pilots someone to talk to). In order to respond there is training requirements and Tim Martins did complete that training. As he was somewhat local, Tim made it up to Buffalo and he was 'on scene' at the hotel a couple hours after I arrived on February 13th, 2009.

Tim was there 'on scene' with about 4 or 5 other CIRP folks. They were there in the background helping out with some administrative items like securing meals, running errands to make sure we had proper clothing (I forgot to pack socks and a jacket), and making sure we were handling the stress properly. From first impression, Tim was a quiet, but like able guy. However, that impression quickly turned to 'huh' to 'something isn't right here'. Over the course of the week we were up there, he would drop that he was in the Air National Guard (ok, I can buy that) and then that he was a NYFD Rescue Diver. When he told me that he was a NYFD Rescue Diver as well, that is when the flags IMMEDIATELY went up in my head. I remember specifically asking him, "Isn't that a full time job, being a rescue diver for the NYFD?". He smile, shrugged it off, and said something like, "there are ways around that".

I knew right then that something was not right there. With everything else going on, I didn't really care or have the time to flush him out for more information to 'explain himself' what he meant by that. I did however ask someone who knew him from his town that was a pilot at Colgan 'what his deal was'. He told me flat out that he was a liar and full of crap. As the next few months went by, I forgot about him.

As the investigation progressed, there were some questionable issues that were going to be raised with the crew, so ALPA Communications wanted to get out ahead of the facts and wanted to do this 'Pilot Professionalism' series in the ALPA Magazine. I think all ALPA Members got an email asking us to nominate pilots to be highlighted in this series. We had a pilot at Colgan who retired from the Air Force as Lieutenant Colonel, if not a full Colonel. Anyway, his last assignment was a pilot for the 89th Airlift Wing, then he went to ATA in the mid 1990s and was a 757 Captain there (among flying their other fleet types) before they shut down and he came to Colgan as a street captain when they did shut down (before we voted ALPA on property street captains were hired). He was involved with the training committee at ATA and after our accident, he saw that we needed help to get our safety programs up and running, he felt he had some experience that would be helpful and volunteered his time as Safety Chair for our MEC. He was a great asset to our pilot group and was the definition of what a professional pilot should be. So I nominated him and he was accepted to be profiled by the ALPA Magazine. The problem was, his profile was scheduled to appear the month after Tim Martins (I had no idea they were profiling Tim, just that the Colgan Pilot's was going to appear 3rd).

When I saw the Tim Martins article for the first time in the magazine , I knew this wasn't going to end well. It obviously wasn't long after that the truth came out.

The gentleman I recommended (@amorris311 knows him as well as @Cruise) for the profile to appear after Tim Martins was very humble that his profile wasn't going to happen and understood. I was LIVID that homework wasn't done with the Tim Martins article and that someone who truly deserved to be profiled was snubbed. I think that is the real sad thing with all of this. A truly deserving individual got snubbed because of a jackass.
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Yeah, that's basically what happened. Yes, Timmay was there. Yes, he helped in a secondary role as @Seggy explained. That's the extent of my knowledge of the situation as I spent 80% of my waking hours at the accident site and not at the hotel.

As for the pilot Seggy recommended for the ALPA articles....he's an excellent guy. You won't find a pilot more deserving of recognition. His help with our Safety Committee was instrumental in all the gains we made in the wake of the accident.
 
Oh well that's good...

You know, cause it is not like we don't have to worry about any misrepresentations from Timmy...

Ooooooh - wait a second!!
 
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