Max Power
Well-Known Member
I’m (sadly) an 8 year CA at Yakobs shop and at $80 plus a few pennies. Industry leading we are not and I don’t expect it to climb a lot with the contract being negotiated.
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killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
C5 right? I thought you guys were in good shape. I know a number of folks who have joined you…
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And to think there was ACTUALLY a moment in 2018 when our NYC base was closing that I thought of doing DEC for C5 because of the EWR base.
What a disaster that decision would have been!
What a disaster that decision would have been!
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EVERYONE is hiring again. Got your stuff in?
Max Power
Well-Known Member
Yep. LOTS of growing pains right now though and not having a contract or any incentives, getting folks in the door is proving a huge challenge to the company. And our work rules, especially reserve, need lots of help.
I’ve been here since the mantra was “get in, get your time and get out”. I’d still prefer to get out, even though I hold enough seniority to be in a good place if we do well. But I’m not certain of that happening, me getting out or C5 surviving long term.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
After nearly 68 years I have found that there is NOTHING like staying home and having those two retirement checks arrive like clockwork every month
Kids these days vastly underestimate the awesome power of the defined benefit plan.
Max Power
Well-Known Member
No we don’t, we just weren’t offered them!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
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Nah. He doesn't. Just waiting on Gods good graces. If it's meant to be.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-- The Professor, RIP (po out a little The Macallan)
Related:
Jedidiah, drowning, refuses the rescue offers of a passing ship and a helicopter sent to rescue him. "It's OK, God will save me."
God, to Jedidiah, at the pearly gates: "Jedidiah, I sent you a boat and a helicopter! What more did you want?"
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
Every regional has varying training quality, usually gathered through word of mouth. I think you know where I am, and I was happy with our training. I’m also in the training dept. now…so that might scare you off lol. IAD base is pretty junior and you’ll fly your ass off here. Our pay rates aren’t industry leading, but our soft pay is actually pretty good. I credited 24 hrs for blocking like 9. It’s not perfect here, and we are struggling based on the fact we operate only one type which our sugar daddy has said he wants to cut. Happy to talk offline.
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jmc4
Well-Known Member
Lots of good info here, ill mention the best advice I got-
Go with what you know now. Not what you think will happen.
I wouldn’t make a decision based on what could be, as reliable crystal balls don’t exist in this industry. If living in base is your thing, be ready to move.
ExpressJet had an IAD base when I was looking at regionals. Just saying..
Go with what you know now. Not what you think will happen.
I wouldn’t make a decision based on what could be, as reliable crystal balls don’t exist in this industry. If living in base is your thing, be ready to move.
ExpressJet had an IAD base when I was looking at regionals. Just saying..
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I think this is fair. Aside from those who had careers in the military or government service, that is pretty unheard of from what I've seen for hires anytime in the last few years or decade or so. At my current company (not a 121 flying job), we have some pension employees who are still around, but not a ton. For better or for worse, a good 401K plan is about the best today's employees can hope for in terms of company retirement plans. Many don't even have that option, as traditional full time/full benefits positions are being systematically eliminated in the endless quest to improve the bottom line. Much like pensions, as a norm, were a decade or so ago.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Still have it at Brown, and man if there's one thing everyone I've flown with can agree upon, it's fighting tooth and nail to keep it. Offloading the risk on to the employees ain't gonna fly anymore, if you'll pardon the expression.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Good point, an exception, but a very good bennie. Keep fighting for it. My folks both retired with pensions about 20 years ago, my dad having two (first being from his Navy retirement 40+ years ago). It's been a very nice retirement for them. I don't know that my generation will have the same experience in 20-30 years from now. Betting it all on the market, in the midst of dual social/political and environmental downward spirals, while business gets better and better each year about raping labor for every last cent of benefits, and health care gets better and better each year about not covering anything while charging absurd premiums for nothing at all in return? Sounds like a bright future we have.
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Wilco. I'm cautiously optimistic that the era of privatizing the gains and generalizing the losses is over, or at least running in to some pretty serious backlash that will slow it down, at a minimum. Sadly, it takes the proles not showing up for work to give pause to the great belching machine of overdeveloped Capitalism.
As to KillWilly: We've talked about this stuff previously, but while I think that, given your EXTREMELY ADVANCED AGE, going to a regional which provides a QOL you can handle and a quick upgrade is your best play, I wouldn't completely count out 91/135. That segment seems to be on fire at the moment, and it's often home-based with a VERY quick path to TPIC indeed. Text or PM me with a time to talk if you're so inclined.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Yeah, you could be right. And I think the social upheaval (on both sides) that we are seeing now is a symptom of that very glaring problem. Normal people haven't been able to put food on the table and live their lives without incurring staggering amounts of debt for years and years now. Dare I say, the people in the capitol on Jan 6th were a symptom of that problem. They just thought they were there because their morally bankrupt billionaire told them to hate other morally bankrupt billionaires.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
I about choked on EXTREMELY ADVANCED age. I mean....the beard's definitely gray but I'm not ready for the walker yet....and for those of you playing the Home Version, yeah, I'm older than your typical changer - I'm 47.
I haven't totally written it off, but there's two things that make me a little gunshy about 91/135:
1) It seems - I don't know this for sure - but it seems really unstable. You get one good economic downturn/black swan, and the owners put the jet up for sale and fire the pilots. I'm not sure I want to be in my 50s on the constant hustle for the next 91/135/contract gig that I'm typed in every day. It's on fire NOW, and stable NOW, but it's even less predictable than the airlines. And that may not be true - that's why I'm saying it SEEMS really unstable. I have a couple of friends outside this forum who fly corporate/91/135, and it has been that way for them. I'll also concede that I have less of a skillset in evaluating the suitability of a 91/135 op than I do an airline. Very much in the dark and ignorant here.
2) Our last conversation had me really trying to evaluate what I wanted. 121 is a flying job, but it's not - again to my uneducated eyes and I mean no disrespect to anyone - a really aviating job, you know? To me, 121 seems very much a lifestyle gig, especially once you have some seniority under your belt, and the things I'm attracted to doing in my not-work-life dovetail a lot better with 121 than they would 91/135. I'm less flexible in terms of location and QoL than I used to be.
Stability is something that appeals to me - at least - stability for whatever value of stable there is in professional aviation. I get that it's not "stable" like, say, Funeral Directing or Sanitation.
I think. I'm seeing it the more or less 'right way'. I'm too old to be dogmatic about anything I don't know.
The goal for me is to change careers into one that, when I'm not doing it, I don't have to worry about it. As a quota-carrying Sales Engineer for the last 25 years, the job dominates a slice of your mental shelf space and when times are lean it overshadows everything else. I'm not saying the grass is necessarily greener for a pilot, but in terms of the things you're paid to control, when you're not flying, it's not your problem. Maybe that's also true of 91/135 - I just don't know.
This is why I've spent the last three and a half years preparing - the day I started training for my CFI was the first real step on the path, and finding the love of teaching has been a bonus. But there is definitely a hiring wave, and I think I can ride it this time around. I missed the last one and I don't want to miss this one.
Trigger's gonna get pulled either way. The question is in when and in which direction.
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Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Let’s not get too simpatico with the people who tried to obstruct the execution of the laws of the United States by force and wanted to kill Vice President Pence and Speaker Pelosi. Let’s also not forget that those same people tried to disenfranchise (and, in some places, are still trying to disenfranchise! And you thought us Gore-Lieberman supporters were Sore-Losermen!) the 82-and-a-half million of us who voted for the President.
Subject to the foregoing, yes, the roots of discontent with the American system are otherwise as described by @Boris Badenov. Hell, there isn’t anything more “peak Capitalism/Americana” to me than seeing a giant dick rocketed into space atop a giant dick owned and operated by a giant dick.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Martin Luther: Whether One May Flee From A Deadly Plague - Christianity Today
Read in full the famous reformer’s advice on Christian faithfulness amid pandemics like the coronavirus.
www.christianitytoday.com
In relevant part:
”Neither brash nor foolhardy” seems to be an excellent way to behave in the face of danger.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
While I have a slightly less pessimistic view of the world, I don’t think the staggering debt is the result of business overlords.
When I was a kid, we lived in a modest (very by today’s standards) 3/2 house. There were 3 bills, electric, phone and water. Mortgage was at a rate that would probably collapse the housing market today. 2 used cars and because of that we were considered very well off. Dad was the only income, humping it with his own business, and 4 kids.
No cable (1 tv)
No internet
No multiple cell phones
No travel sports (Little League registration was $5)
No McMansion
No multiple, giant SUVs
No tropical/Disney vacations
No flying ANYWHERE
Health care was cash. You had insurance for “major medical”/“hospitalization”/“catastrophic care”.
I never wanted for anything. Well fed, got my shots on time, plenty to do.
The debt people have today, they mostly bring on themselves. Now you could probably make the argument that giant/social media pressures people to consume well beyond their means, and I might listen.
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