Three Strikes and the FAA Will Investigate

tonyw

tonyw

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That's what American is learning.

http://www.cnbc.com//id/34661112

The Federal Aviation Administration is stepping up oversight of American Airlines after three botched landings by the carrier over 11 days, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The latest incident, which prompted heightened FAA scrutiny of American’s operations, involved a jetliner whose wingtip struck the ground while landing in Austin, Texas, on Christmas Eve, the Journal said.

There were no injuries and the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 aircraft was inspected and returned to service. But the incident raised concern inside the FAA, people familiar with the matter told the Journal, because it followed two more-serious landing mistakes on aircraft operated by the AMR unit in December.

If I bounce an airplane three times during one landing, will the FAA come after me?
 
tonyw said:
That's what American is learning.

http://www.cnbc.com//id/34661112

The Federal Aviation Administration is stepping up oversight of American Airlines after three botched landings by the carrier over 11 days, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The latest incident, which prompted heightened FAA scrutiny of American’s operations, involved a jetliner whose wingtip struck the ground while landing in Austin, Texas, on Christmas Eve, the Journal said.

There were no injuries and the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 aircraft was inspected and returned to service. But the incident raised concern inside the FAA, people familiar with the matter told the Journal, because it followed two more-serious landing mistakes on aircraft operated by the AMR unit in December.

If I bounce an airplane three times during one landing, will the FAA come after me?
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HA! I knew smacking that sucker down on the aiming markers every time had some benefit.

I rule. TAKE THAT GROUND!!!
 
How about instead of doing more oversight on American Airlines...they do more oversight on...I don't know...REST AND WORK TIMES THAT THEY REFUSE TO CHANGE!!!!

It isn't just dumb luck that that crew is CLT was on their 15th hour. I love it...lets have AA and all the rest of the majors have FO's getting line checks if they are low time and have under 10,000hrs in the airplane.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
How about instead of doing more oversight on American Airlines...they do more oversight on...I don't know...REST AND WORK TIMES THAT THEY REFUSE TO CHANGE!!!!

It isn't just dumb luck that that crew is CLT was on their 15th hour. I love it...lets have AA and all the rest of the majors have FO's getting line checks if they are low time and have under 10,000hrs in the airplane.
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Just because someone botches a landing or anything else while flying an airplane doesn't automatically mean it was because of a schedule....or the lack of rest.
This is becoming like a broken record with some of you guys.
 
azfsi60 said:
Just because someone botches a landing or anything else while flying an airplane doesn't automatically mean it was because of a schedule....or the lack of rest.
This is becoming like a broken record with some of you guys.
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That's because some of us have worked 16 hours into a reduced rest overnight, and then another 16 hours.

If you think it's a broken record then you haven't done it.
 
jtrain609 said:
That's because some of us have worked 16 hours into a reduced rest overnight, and then another 16 hours.

If you think it's a broken record then you haven't done it.
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Spot on! I recently had a return to field after being on duty 12 hours, and having been up 6 hours prior to that. After running the QRH, getting the plane back on the ground safely, we taxied in, with our adrenaline still pumping, only to see them fueling a spare aircraft.

Not one person stopped to ask how the pilots felt continuing. They attempted to determine that for us. I had to stop everyone from getting carried away, and tell the company we needed to evaluate how we felt and whether we felt good enough to continue.

After a brief discussion, the FO and I determined we would be calling it a night. We were tagged with calling in Not Fit for Duty. :) Now had I taken the flight onto its destination and we could have either:

A) slammed it into the ground it would have killed everyone.

or

B) Bent metal is some fashion.

I was harrassed by 3 work groups for making that decision.
 
Thanks guys for junping in on that...

Yeah, anything over 12hrs regardless of sleep will make someone stupid. It is amazing what professional educated people get reduced to when made to work as long as we work. I agree, if you are tired of hearing fatigue bitching then you either have never done it or don't do it anymore because no 121 person I know doesn't think there is a big issue going on here.
 
Sounds like I created the proverbial "terd in a bunch bowl' with my original post.

You guys misunderstood me.

I never meant to insinuate that their are not scheduling problems in the part 121 world.
Hell.. I KNOW there are because I worked at Mesa for 8 years and lived it.

But come on guys..lets not exagerate.. Even at Mesa, commmenly accepted in the industry as the trend setters for stupidity, they didnt work you "past sixteen hours and then put you on reduced rest- then make you do another 16 hours."

All I was trying to get at in my post was that you lose credibility and legitimacy in the overall battle when you play the same card over and over again in EVERY mishap.


Ciao
 
I had a few times that were very close to 16-8-16, but that was on reserve. I haven't ever seen any lines build that way.
 
just a question from an outsider, if captains on a regular basis was calling in "Not Fit for Duty" or whatever BS they call because you guys are tired, wouldn't that force the airlines to look into the issue? Did you hear of the truckers in cali that drove on the highways real slow to protest? something like that??
 
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