Three Dead in ND Cherokee Crash

Murdoughnut said:
I guess. I mean if it were a 16 year old pilot I'd get it (particularly having been one) - but hell, a few guys on here were flying 121 at 20.
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Do you guys think that 16 is too young to solo and 17 too young for a private? I seem to think so; what are your thoughts?
 
Murdoughnut said:
I guess. I mean if it were a 16 year old pilot I'd get it (particularly having been one) - but hell, a few guys on here were flying 121 at 20.
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I forgot to put the sarcasm tag on that one.. I thought the same thing. As far as the age for a PPL goes, I think it's entirely dependent on the individual and their ability to be mature and exercise the role of PIC with passengers and have sound ADM. In addition, they obviously need to be able to understand the fundamentals and concepts of flying the aircraft as well. I don't think age is a absolute quantifier for those skills, but obviously experience helps and there's only one way to get it.
 
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atracnitrix said:
I knew the family. Terrible accident. RIP.
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Was the plane based out of BIS? Currently based there and I know the FBO I'm in was given the job of pulling the plane out today. Just wondering if it was the same plane I saw yesterday morning which I think had three people in it.

Temps in the area were in the mid 90's and when I took off around 2PM in Aberdeen, they were calling density altitude of over 4,000ft.

Tragic indeed.
 
Tyler Pinkerton said:
Was the plane based out of BIS? Currently based there and I know the FBO I'm in was given the job of pulling the plane out today. Just wondering if it was the same plane I saw yesterday morning which I think had three people in it.

Temps in the area were in the mid 90's and when I took off around 2PM in Aberdeen, they were calling density altitude of over 4,000ft.

Tragic indeed.
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Don't want to speculate too much but if the plane was able to climb and got as high as witnesses said then I'd put more money on a mechanical.

Engine failure into a non-survivable impact, no matter how well flown, is a terrible way to go. Tailwinds and blue skies.
 
Sorry to hear about the accident. RIP.
Pilot121 said:
Do you guys think that 16 is too young to solo and 17 too young for a private? I seem to think so; what are your thoughts?
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my old man said, there are 2 ways to get a Pilot certificate. If you want to do it right at 17, be my guest, and find a way to paiy for it yourself.
If you want my help, both finantially and tips and guidance, I want a college degree first.

Became a Graphic Software Engineer first, saved some money, and got my credentials amongst 17-19 year olds at 26-27. Guess who was the first to land a Job?

Today I agree, regulation minimums do not always mean safe, and age is irrelevant. Maturity is more so, and If a kid shows enough maturity at 17, go ahead. But from personal experience, I'd let them fizzle some before actually start handling aircraft with people on board.

Take Care
 
Hacker15e said:
Guys were flying B-17s and P-47s into hostile skies over Germany at 19 or 20.
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MaRiO FDZ said:
Sorry to hear about the accident. RIP.

my old man said, there are 2 ways to get a Pilot certificate. If you want to do it right at 17, be my guest, and find a way to paiy for it yourself.
If you want my help, both finantially and tips and guidance, I want a college degree first.

Became a Graphic Software Engineer first, saved some money, and got my credentials amongst 17-19 year olds at 26-27. Guess who was the first to land a Job?

Today I agree, regulation minimums do not always mean safe, and age is irrelevant. Maturity is more so, and If a kid shows enough maturity at 17, go ahead. But from personal experience, I'd let them fizzle some before actually start handling aircraft with people on board.

Take Care
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It's not irrelevant - research shows that the portion of the brain that controls decision making doesn't fully develop until the very late teens or early 20s.

As a researcher this is what interests me ... we know that the killing field for pilots is that 400-800 hour mark (or whatever it is) when complacency really starts to set in. But the average 16-18 year old pilot probably isn't anywhere near that - so they're perhaps inherently safer because of a moderating variable - the fact that they're still int the <400 hour safety zone.

Would be interesting if you could somehow simulate the complacency that comes with being a 400 hour pilot with the judgement of a 16 year old.
 
Murdoughnut said:
It's not irrelevant - research shows that the portion of the brain that controls decision making doesn't fully develop until the very late teens or early 20s.

As a researcher this is what interests me ... we know that the killing field for pilots is that 400-800 hour mark (or whatever it is) when complacency really starts to set in. But the average 16-18 year old pilot probably isn't anywhere near that - so they're perhaps inherently safer because of a moderating variable - the fact that they're still int the <400 hour safety zone.

Would be interesting if you could somehow simulate the complacency that comes with being a 400 hour pilot with the judgement of a 16 year old.
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Precisely my point. I'm looking for maturity. Else why do you explain dumb criminals in their 40?s I get what you mean, perhaps I didn't explain myself right, but if a 16 year old kid can show me he's responsible enough to drive a car properly, has good grades, and or handles properly a small credit card, I'm supportive of him learning to fly.

I wouldn't allow Commercial though untill at least 23

Take care
 
MaRiO FDZ said:
Sorry to hear about the accident. RIP.

my old man said, there are 2 ways to get a Pilot certificate. If you want to do it right at 17, be my guest, and find a way to paiy for it yourself.
If you want my help, both finantially and tips and guidance, I want a college degree first.

Became a Graphic Software Engineer first, saved some money, and got my credentials amongst 17-19 year olds at 26-27. Guess who was the first to land a Job?

Today I agree, regulation minimums do not always mean safe, and age is irrelevant. Maturity is more so, and If a kid shows enough maturity at 17, go ahead. But from personal experience, I'd let them fizzle some before actually start handling aircraft with people on board.

Take Care
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I soloed at 16 and I'm still here 20 years later. Holy crap 20 years.. Like anything else it depends on the individual. There are plenty of 17 yr old pilots I'd trust over some 45 yr old 2000 hr pilots I've seen.
 
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