This is how cabotage starts

Derg said:
Ultimately, Norwegian wants to create NYC base and another one in MCO in order to fly point-to-point in the US, using Thai cockpit and cabin crew members, all under the Irish flag (famous for anti-labor practices).
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You running for ALPA office now? You sure sound like it

This is not the danger. An airline with a whopping 10 airplanes and no huge deep pockets. People Express at best. They are not targeting anything other than the walmart crowd. 2 years from now you will never hear from them. Their crew bases are for FAs only, and from what I have seen, they have no plans to do intra US flights

The enemy is the Gulf airlines. Limitless deep pockets, already established in the US, and providing superior service in every manner. Hundreds of airplanes on order. A bigger fleet of A-380s than the US carriers have 747s. Politically connected, easily defeating a concerted effort to shut down the customs clearance facility.

You are worried about anti labor, go try the good ole USA. Here we have elected officials saying that they are going to deny any future funding to VW if the workers there unionize. I wouldnt worry about Irish anti labor practices until we fix our own problems.

While I admire the fact that Lee is trying, he is going to lose this one too.
 
Seggy said:
Once again @typhoonpilot, it is the 'flag of convenience' business model.

Look at the cruise ship industry and the safety issues they have been experiencing over the last few years. They operate under flags of convenience due to lax regulatory standards. That is exactly what Norwegian is trying to do here.
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And exactly how many Americans give the slightest crap about this?
 
Jimflyfast said:
You running for ALPA office now? You sure sound like it

This is not the danger. An airline with a whopping 10 airplanes and no huge deep pockets. People Express at best. They are not targeting anything other than the walmart crowd. 2 years from now you will never hear from them. Their crew bases are for FAs only, and from what I have seen, they have no plans to do intra US flights

The enemy is the Gulf airlines. Limitless deep pockets, already established in the US, and providing superior service in every manner. Hundreds of airplanes on order. A bigger fleet of A-380s than the US carriers have 747s. Politically connected, easily defeating a concerted effort to shut down the customs clearance facility.

You are worried about anti labor, go try the good ole USA. Here we have elected officials saying that they are going to deny any future funding to VW if the workers there unionize. I wouldnt worry about Irish anti labor practices until we fix our own problems.

While I admire the fact that Lee is trying, he is going to lose this one too.
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Outsider looking in but wouldn't there be a fear that a small carrier could open the door because "oh it's a small carrier what harm could they do with 10 planes", then behind them a gulf giant blast through the open door?
 
@Jimflyfast, you are right that the Middle East Carriers are a much larger threat now, but if we don't nip both of these in the ass, scope clauses that outsource E-175 flying will be a distance concern...
 
mikecweb said:
Outsider looking in but wouldn't there be a fear that a small carrier could open the door because "oh it's a small carrier what harm could they do with 10 planes", then behind them a gulf giant blast through the open door?
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what door are they opening? They are simply flying from Europe to the US. There is nothing new here other than they dont operate to the country that they are "based" in. They are not trying to perform cabotage here. They are doing nothing the gulf airlines arent already doing.
 
Jimflyfast said:
Explain to me what we are nipping?
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A lot of folks have heartburn with ALPA for not being 'out in front' of the scope clauses concerning RJ flying. ALPA, in my opinion, is getting 'out in front' of the Middle East Airline and 'flag of convenience' model and not making the mistakes they made in the past.
 
Jimflyfast said:
The enemy is the Gulf airlines. Limitless deep pockets, already established in the US, and providing superior service in every manner. Hundreds of airplanes on order. A bigger fleet of A-380s than the US carriers have 747s. Politically connected, easily defeating a concerted effort to shut down the customs clearance facility.
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Bingo!! Been saying this for several months now and nothing is being done to halt it. Posted three articles on page two of this thread alone. Heads buried in the sand.

Emirates, Etihad Airlines and Qatar Airways all based in the same corner of the Persian Gulf, already operate more wide-body airplanes than all the American carriers put together. At the Dubai Air Show, they announced plans to buy 350 more long-range planes from Boeing and Airbus, with orders valued at a record $162 billion and deliveries extending well into the next decade.

Emirates has thrived by building routes to developing countries long neglected by traditional carriers and by providing an alternative to local airlines, connecting Europe and India, Africa and Russia, China and the Middle East. Instead of flying through traditional hubs like London or Frankfurt, these new routes run through Dubai, which the airline has turned into a global connecting hub thanks to the backing of the city’s ruling family.

Also at Dubai, Qatar’s flag carrier, Qatar Airways, said it would buy 50 Boeing 777X jets, a new aircraft that should be available by 2020. Etihad, based in neighboring Abu Dhabi and the smallest of the three, ordered 143 airplanes at the air show, including 30 Boeing 787s and 50 Airbus A350s.

Look at how disruptive Emirates has been for well-established airlines like Air France, Lufthansa or Air India.

Emirates operates about 3,200 flights a week to 135 cities and 76 countries. It started flying to 20 new destinations since the beginning of last year and plans to add service to Conakry, Guinea; Sialkot, Pakistan; and Kabul, Afghanistan, before the end of the year.

The airline is expanding its presence in North America where it has made significant inroads last year, opening new routes from Dubai to Dallas, Seattle and Washington. It has also increased the frequency of its flights to New York. It also serves Houston, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

They recently inaugurated a new flight between Kennedy International Airport in New York and Malpensa Airport in Milan, which allows passengers from the United States to fly to Europe on Emirates without having to fly through Dubai.

Qatar Airways, which joined the Oneworld Alliance with American Airlines, started service to Chicago recently from Doha.

Emirates is a force to stay. It now has a total of 385 aircraft on order, including 101 A380s, at a total value of $166 billion. It currently flies 39 A380s and now accounts for well over half of all A380 orders — and has been instrumental in rescuing that aircraft program. By contrast, Air France, Lufthansa and British Airways fly a combined 22 A380s and do not plan to significantly increase their orders anytime soon.


This is also a good article:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304384104579141732219208604
 
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Emirates is not dicking around.

Friday, 14 February 2014, 14:29

Emirates and Jetstar have announced an agreement which is set to open up new destinations for Emirates passengers across Australia, New Zealand and South East Asia as the Dubai-based airline continues to connect people, places and passions.

Emirates’ code will now be placed on a number of routes operated by Jetstar Airways in Australia, New Zealand and Asia, giving passengers access to 27 new routes and six new destinations such as Bali in Indonesia, Byron Bay in Australia, Dunedin in New Zealand and Siem Reap in Cambodia.

Members of Emirates Skywards, the airline’s frequent flyer programme, will be able to earn Miles for flights on Jetstar-operated routes which have the Emirates code, they will also be able to use their Miles to purchase reward flights on any Jetstar operated route, starting from just 7,025 Skywards Miles.

“This new link between Emirates and Jetstar offers our passengers a number of benefits including new routes to destinations that are not part of the Emirates network today,” said Adnan Kazim, Emirates’ Divisional Senior Vice President, Planning, Aeropolitical & Industry Affairs.

From 6 April, all Emirates’ passengers on Jetstar flights will receive boarding passes on check-in at their first international departure point for connecting international services.

The codeshare includes seven domestic routes in Australia to add to the 50 that Emirates already codeshares with cornerstone investor in the Jetstar Group, Qantas; four new routes in New Zealand, six new routes between Australian and New Zealand over the Tasman Sea and ten international routes out of Singapore to Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand and Hong Kong.

Also:

Emirates will hold its first recruitment open day of 2014 in Dublin on Saturday 22nd February, at Hilton Dublin, Charlemont Place. Due to the growth of the company, the open day is expected to be the first of many for 2014 – and more than 3,000 cabin crew jobs are to be filled during the year. Successful applicants will be based in Dubai.
 
Thanks for sharing. It shows that Emirates is paying 34% of their revenue out in fuel costs just like the rest of the airlines.
 
JOEFRIDAY2 said:
Thanks for sharing. It shows that Emirates is paying 34% of their revenue out in fuel costs just like the rest of the airlines.
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Yep. Paying it to themselves. They admit on their website that they are paying a sister corporation under the umbrella of the UAE govt corp.
 
bafanguy said:
TP,

The only ads I've seen for this job are through Rishworth ( a NZ-based agency, IIRC ?) and pretty clearly specify JAA license and EU passport, as you mentioned. Is there another agency involved in Singapore or is it a Rishworth branch in Singapore to which you refer ?

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2480.html

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2479.html

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2478.html

Can't tell the players without a program. :biggrin:
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Rishworth set up subsidiaries in whatever jurisdiction suit them for the contract. They use a Pacific island, Vanuatu I think, for many of their contracts. That is one of the reasons I tell people to steer clear of Rishworth. One guy fought them in court many years ago and eventually won, but it took a lot of effort due to how and where they had the contract structured.


TP
 
Seggy said:
Once again @typhoonpilot, it is the 'flag of convenience' business model.

They are shopping around countries to find the one who will give them the 'easiest' time in terms of their operating certificate (they aren't even going to be flying in Ireland, HOW can that country provide oversight???), cheap labor, and a 'testing the waters approach' that is extremely dangerous to our profession. Look at the cruise ship industry and the safety issues they have been experiencing over the last few years. They operate under flags of convenience due to lax regulatory standards. That is exactly what Norwegian is trying to do here.
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If they were using Liberia or some other poverty stricken corrupt African nation I might tend to agree with you on this. They are not, they are using an EU member country. Ireland has a lower corporate tax rate than many other EU nations. It is not dissimilar to a U.S. corporation choosing Delaware or Nevada to incorporate in versus their actual place of business.

You might find some large U.S. major airlines are incorporated in Delaware even though they don't fly there :)

This is the problem with ALPA. They come up with these boogie men and some weak arguments as to why and convince the membership that a fight needs to happen. Then the fight is lost before it even began due to the weakness of their arguments.

Kind of like arguing against Emirates' MXP-JFK service when DAL and UAL fly NRT to a whole bunch of Asian cities.



Typhoonpilot
 
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