This can't be legal-Free Flight Time

hcaeborev said:
I would say the same thing that would happen if it was being rented.

How about this.....

I own a 172. My friend is a private pilot. My GF needs to get from PYM to MVY for a wedding and doesn't like boats. I can't do the flight because I'm working. If I call my friend and ask him to shoot my GF over to MVY in my plane am I a scumbag? Is this illegal according to "flight time as compensation"? What happens if he dings it up or busts BOS class B?

I don't see my scenario as being all that much different from the original. Again, if there is a fee involved for the customer to be brought home then I most certainly have beef.
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Is your friend paying his pro data share of the expenses?
 
Banner Express said:
Hey just found out the last guy that took the flight school guy up on his offer was a 78 year old guy. Said he just likes to feel useful and enjoys helping out. I sure hope that we can put an end to this and shut this scum bag flight school owner down !
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Right. It's perfectly okay to do a job for free that someone should be getting paid to do.....as long as the guy doing it is old. :rolleyes:
 
Banner Express said:
Why do you think it is a job ?

What job?????
It's getting someone a ride to collect their airplane.
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Look at the email from the company in the original post:

"For those of you not familiar, one of the services we provide at the ********** Air Center is customer pick up and drop off."

They are advertising a service. They are a business. Instead of paying a CFI or someone else on their payroll for the flight, they are getting someone to do it for free.

You are entitled to your own opinion about whether that is right or wrong morally. I think it's wrong. But I can see how naive individuals might think it is OK. That's why we need to have these discussions and make our views heard.

Now the fact that the pilot making the flight is actually being compensated, and therefore needs to have a commercial license, as well as the fact that the company might need certification as an air carrier, are separate issues.
 
Banner Express said:
Why do you think it is a job ?

What job?????
It's getting someone a ride to collect their airplane.
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The flight school is providing a service by shuttling the owner while they do the maintenance on the plane. That person likely would not be taking their plane to them if the service did not exist.

Think of it like a job for a corporate pilot picking up executives from another company and bringing them to the HQ for a sales meeting.

It is the same thing just on a smaller scale.
 
Maurus said:
The flight school is providing a service by shuttling the owner while they do the maintenance on the plane. That person likely would not be taking their plane to them if the service did not exist.

Think of it like a job for a corporate pilot picking up executives from another company and bringing them to the HQ for a sales meeting.

It is the same thing just on a smaller scale.
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Really - dude get a life .
 
mojo6911 said:
Also, to add to this

One of the planes my company manages is around just for this purpose. I get paid to pick up their customers and bring them to thier business in another state. Guess what? I get paid to do it.
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uggggh maybe that's your job - what part of this is not a job are you not getting ????
 
Banner Express said:
No not at all - just not sure if champcar is that upset why he does not man up and call the owner directly.
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If it were me, I don't think that destroying a relationship is worth correcting whatever minor injustice is occurring.

It's one thing to take no action as an innocent bystander to a rape. It's quite another to be the innocent bystander to a Part 119 violation.

Nobody's mentioned the civil liability aspect here. There's no way the flight school's insurer would pay this claim if the guest-help private pilot were to ball it up.

Now, a strong CFI working for the flight school in question should say "Boss, you shouldn't do this any more. You have an incredible liability here if something were to go wrong and you've left a pretty clear evidence trail for someone who isn't happy with you to take this to the FSDO. For the sake of your business and to save you future headaches, you should stop this now."
 
I think that if a private pilot operates this flight and he doesn't pay his pro-rata share of operating expenses, he is receiving flight time as compensation, am I right or wrong?
 
Zondaracer said:
I think that if a private pilot operates this flight and he doesn't pay his pro-rata share of operating expenses, he is receiving flight time as compensation, am I right or wrong?
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Compensation for what is the question?
He was not asked to do anything - an offer of a free flight was made to anyone that wanted it.
It was supposed to be a nice perk for any of the Rochester Air Center customers.
No "SCUMBAG" intentions of trying to get out of paying someone for the flight.
Maybe you negative responders should look at it from a different perspective. NOBODY was trying to cheat anyone out of anything!
And no there is no additional cost to the customer receiving maintenance - its a way to try to get business for the maintenance company so that NINE people can collect a check every Friday and take care of their families.
Once a month the flight school puts on a free dinner at its hangar flying - open to anyone of the Rochester Aviation community - I suppose the guy should start charging for that too - would not want it considered compensation for showing up and talking about airplanes.
 
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