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BobDDuck said:
Not arguing that as a rule pilots aren't underpaid, but it all depends on the path you take and the luck you have. I know plenty of guys who have made it past 50k after 3 or 4 years and are 100k+ by 10 years.
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Well good for them. I couldn't recommend the career to anyone, based on my personal experience. I've worked for 4 failed operators, fell prey to their promises of a future, was treated like a slave by all of them without exception - personal life be damned. Then when they no longer had a use for me I was cast aside like the trash.

Currently at XOJET I was recently told that it would be over 2 years until an upgrade was a possibility. All that after getting over 30 recommendations from captains to move up to the next level, being forced to load bags in the rain for captains who promised to write recommendations and never did, finally being recognized by the CPO to upgrade, going through a 10 hour ordeal of a captains review board on a day off, getting through the board after months of study - personal life and health be damned. All for nothing. Nothing at all, an empty promise from a failed system. One that the captains took advantage of and turned me into an ice and coffee bitch for the promise of a reward for a job well done, all a baseless lie.

I have always put my best foot forward, never been late, never called in sick, worked hard and flew the aircraft with professionalism and skill. Look where it got me. Nowhere.
 
Yo dawg, yous gottsta have more lifts than drags, yo!
 

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Around here it was always the Indian students talking to each other on freq. "Yes, let us head back to Riverside for some Strawberry Ice Cream and Rrrrrrrrrrred Bull."
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Well good for them. I couldn't recommend the career to anyone, based on my personal experience. I've worked for 4 failed operators, fell prey to their promises of a future, was treated like a slave by all of them without exception - personal life be damned. Then when they no longer had a use for me I was cast aside like the trash.

Currently at XOJET I was recently told that it would be over 2 years until an upgrade was a possibility. All that after getting over 30 recommendations from captains to move up to the next level, being forced to load bags in the rain for captains who promised to write recommendations and never did, finally being recognized by the CPO to upgrade, going through a 10 hour ordeal of a captains review board on a day off, getting through the board after months of study - personal life and health be damned. All for nothing. Nothing at all, an empty promise from a failed system. One that the captains took advantage of and turned me into an ice and coffee bitch for the promise of a reward for a job well done, all a baseless lie.

I have always put my best foot forward, never been late, never called in sick, worked hard and flew the aircraft with professionalism and skill. Look where it got me. Nowhere.
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That's the hard thing about aviation, and what I feel the most sympathy towards you guys for - it's a commodity, and even worse, a commodity with a seniority system that entirely erases anyone accomplishing anything based on merit. The best I can tell from having been on this site for seven plus years is that luck seems to be the biggest predictor of success or failure. Picking regional A instead of regional B, happening to be on a specific jumpseat on a specific flight... there's certainly a lot to be said for networking, but at the end of the day two pilots with equal and outstanding skill ... one ends up flying heavies for nearly $200k a year, the other sits unemployed and perhaps unemployable.

Personally, I couldn't do it. Sure, there are asshats above me at every company I've been with, but they're almost always asshats that have done something worthwhile to get there.
 
cmill said:
Cut the guy some slack about wanting to fly the space shuttle or a gulf stream. Give him a few years and he'll be pissed that he has to fly at all.
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By now he's probably a 767 captain at lot, angry he has to fly 9 days this month.
 
First off, was the background music 'Pretty Woman'? Or did I just imagine that in my head?

Second, I noticed in one of those 'Look at me bra' shots, dude was seriously rocking some earbuds under his headset...that screams awesomeness...gonna have to try that my next flight!
 
mojo6911 said:
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Now to be fair to this guy, if he was up there in his clean and pressed pilot shirt rocking four stripes, most on here would be all "look at the nerd in the uniform teaching ground school!!" Now that he's presented himself in relaxed dress, everyone wants to torch him for being unprofessional. The masses are never happy.
 
Stomp16 said:
Now to be fair to this guy, if he was up there in his clean and pressed pilot shirt rocking four stripes, most on here would be all "look at the nerd in the uniform teaching ground school!!" Now that he's presented himself in relaxed dress, everyone wants to torch him for being unprofessional. The masses are never happy.
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If i was teaching ground school for a living I would show up looking homeless and reeking of scotch. Just sayin.
 
That video was pretty epic. To be honest, at a place like that, I'd rather they have a video like this than have them all taking themselves super seriously as badass epaulet and aviator rockin' 172 pilots. Then again, if you're going to be that casual about it, why the hell wear uniforms in the first place?
 
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