The Worlds Safest Airlines

SKW was more than likely still flying Navajos or Metros within the 30 year span this data was compiled. A few of the bottom 10 have improved significantly, too (Turkish, Korean).
 
Qantas has not had a fatality since 1951 and they are not even on that list. Neither is Lufthansa who lost 2 pax in '93 and their last fatal before that was I think in '79. SWA has not ever had a fatal have they? And BA has a fatality rate identical to that of DAL (0.17 fatalities per million miles traveled) and yet they are #10? DAL is not on the list either. Virgin Australia is what, like 12 years old now? Does the data include Virgin Blue days? (which was not flawless) What about the 6 crew and one inspector that were lost in an AB320 in 2008 during an Air New Zealand test flight and that earns them a #2 ranking?

ATRA ranked the safest airlines in the world in 2012 (alphabetical order) as:

  • Air France - KLM
  • AMR Corporation (American Airlines, American Eagle)
  • British Airways
  • Continental Airlines
  • Delta Airlines
  • Japan Airlines
  • Lufthansa
  • Southwest Airlines
  • United Airlines
  • US Airways
It would be interesting to know the criteria/data used for the rankings for each carrier such as incidents, (what types) actual fatalities and dates, how many incidents were aircraft issues and which were pilot issues, number of aircraft in the fleets, miles flown, number of flights and distances, number of pax carried, maintenance programs and records, age of fleets, training programs, etc. Isn't all of that detailed data that matters in relation to determining "safe" carriers? All of the preceding, is the data that I would like to see for each carrier.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Qantas has not had a fatality since 1951 and they are not even on that list. Neither is Lufthansa who lost 2 pax in '93 and their last fatal before that was I think in '79. SWA has not ever had a fatal have they? And BA has a fatality rate identical to that of DAL (0.17 fatalities per million miles traveled) and yet they are #10? DAL is not on the list either. Virgin Australia is what, like 12 years old now? Does the data include Virgin Blue days? (which was not flawless)

ATRA ranked the safest airlines in the world in 2012 (alphabetical order) as:

  • Air France - KLM
  • AMR Corporation (American Airlines, American Eagle)
  • British Airways
  • Continental Airlines
  • Delta Airlines
  • Japan Airlines
  • Lufthansa
  • Southwest Airlines
  • United Airlines
  • US Airways
It would be interesting to know the criteria/data used for the rankings for each carrier such as incidents, (what types) actual fatalities and dates, how many incidents were aircraft issues and which were pilot issues, number of aircraft in the fleets, miles flown, number of flights and distances, number of pax carried, maintenance programs and records, age of fleets, training programs, etc. Isn't all of that detailed data that matters in relation to determining "safe" carriers?
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That ATRA study seems a lot more logical then the one on Fox. At least they could have gathered data based on volume. They probably used 9/11 also.
 
Hell, I even wonder about ATRA leaving Qantas out of the top ten, but including AF. AF crash in '09 with 228 fatalities and Qantas pilots saving pax and aircraft in an exploding engine, severe damage and cascading loss of controls in 2010. Ummmm okey dokey.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Qantas has not had a fatality since 1951 and they are not even on that list. Neither is Lufthansa who lost 2 pax in '93 and their last fatal before that was I think in '79. SWA has not ever had a fatal have they? And BA has a fatality rate identical to that of DAL (0.17 fatalities per million miles traveled) and yet they are #10? DAL is not on the list either. Virgin Australia is what, like 12 years old now? Does the data include Virgin Blue days? (which was not flawless) What about the 6 crew and one inspector that were lost in an AB320 in 2008 during an Air New Zealand test flight and that earns them a #2 ranking?
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Don't forget the 1979 crash into Mount Erebus in Antarctica.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand_Flight_901
 
If anything, Hawaiian Airlines is the only major US carrier to not have a fatal accident in its entire history. I find it extremely weird they didn't make the cut.
 
Skåning said:
Your first clue that this is a BS sensationalized story is that it's from Fox "News"
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The same network that said "Well, the 787 was on fire in its auxiliary power unit, so it couldn't have happened when the passengers were onboard or during flight"

I do not miss cable. If Fox was that bad, you can only imagine CNN.
 
dasleben said:
SKW was more than likely still flying Navajos or Metros within the 30 year span this data was compiled. A few of the bottom 10 have improved significantly, too (Turkish, Korean).
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I used to fly a SKW Navajo back in the day, long since retired from pax service.
 
Derg said:
The same network that said "Well, the 787 was on fire in its auxiliary power unit, so it couldn't have happened when the passengers were onboard or during flight"

I do not miss cable. If Fox was that bad, you can only imagine CNN.
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CNN, while hilarious at times, is not as bad and sensationalized as Fox News....or MSNBC for that matter.
 
WestIndian425 said:
CNN, while hilarious at times, is not as bad and sensationalized as Fox News....or MSNBC for that matter.
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Agree...I think CNN is fairly unbiased in its news reporting. I particularly like CNN International. Richard Quest's segments seem good. He's done some interesting ones on aviation, including a decent one related to the Air France accident.
 
The other part of the problem is that the Fox "News" story will be picked up by other media feeding their 24 hour news cycle and desperate for any content, and eventually it becomes accepted as factual, since it is being reported widely.

I wish I were more optimistic that schools were teaching critical evaluation skills - the other CRM is Content Reliability in Media.o_O
 
Not to interrupt the Fox News bashing session but they didn't do the study, they just reported it.

"Europe's Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre (JACDEC)
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released its list of the world's safest airlines."
 
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