The University of Oklahoma and Pinnacle announce direct hire

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wrxpilot said:
I'm not sure why this argument is constantly brought up... It's similar to the "Well, gee! The USAF has low time guys flying jets all over the world!" argument. There's a BIG difference between some knucklehead throwing tons of money at a glossy ad flight school versus the rigorous selection process used by the military and non-US carriers.
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The reason I bring it up, is because I don't see any reason why pilot certification, and the hiring process in the United States can or should be any less stringent than in the areas you mention. That's why. And I'm well aware of what the differences are in selection processes, and wonder why we don't have that model here.
 
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Autothrust Blue said:
The reason I bring it up, is because I don't see any reason why pilot certification, and the hiring process in the United States can or should be any less stringent than in the areas you mention. That's why. And I'm well aware of what the differences are in selection processes, and wonder why we don't have that model here.
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Because the US regionals don't want to shell out the $$ for ab-initio training. Who can blame them? It'd be a pretty bad business decision to do so unless you had to.

As far as selection criteria, some regionals are far more selective than others due to the number of applicants. Others can't afford to be so choosy.
 
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Autothrust Blue said:
The reason I bring it up, is because I don't see any reason why pilot certification, and the hiring process in the United States can or should be any less stringent than in the areas you mention. That's why. And I'm well aware of what the differences are in selection processes, and wonder why we don't have that model here.
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Costs. How available is GA to the average European? Not very because it's so expensive to get your ratings there. A lot find it cheaper to come to another country (aka here) to go to a JAA school and get their ratings. So, you've got a couple of options: beef up the initial training and close it off to the people that don't care about flying for a career or leave it as it is but have more stringent requirements on things like the ATP rating or airline/corporate/charter/freight training cirriculums. Just look how much grief we get over just TALKING about requiring an ATP for an basic level airline position. Not only do the low time guys that thought they were 6 months away from flying a CRJ complain, but so do the airlines since most of the guys that train to that level want to be compensated fairly. I myself see no problem with the compromise of just requiring an ATP to fly for an airline. I mean it IS called the "airline transport pilot" after all. By the time you reach the mins for the ATP, you've probably got as much knowledge as one of the guys that went through a European program, and you've for sure got more real world experience.
 
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Any idea if
Embry-Riddle
Purdue
UND
WMU (Heard that they are in the progress of one)
K-State
Or other aviation universities have direct hire programs?
 
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aviatoralex said:
Any idea if
Embry-Riddle
Purdue
UND
WMU (Heard that they are in the progress of one)
K-State
Or other aviation universities have direct hire programs?
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WMU already has it. You have to have a min 3.0 GPA, no more than 2 checkride failures, and graduated in the last 24 months (no hour requirement and no need to do the CRJ jet course). If you meet these criteria, you don't even have to interview for the position!

Me, I've spent three years as a CFI, so I'm going to get to choose where I want to work. Pretty cool concept, if you ask me! I get to CHOOSE! That doesn't happen often in this industry...
 
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g4downin said:
WMU already has it. You have to have a min 3.0 GPA, no more than 2 checkride failures, and graduated in the last 24 months (no hour requirement and no need to do the CRJ jet course). If you meet these criteria, you don't even have to interview for the position!

Me, I've spent three years as a CFI, so I'm going to get to choose where I want to work. Pretty cool concept, if you ask me! I get to CHOOSE! That doesn't happen often in this industry...
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Awesome! One more reason to go there. Hopefully they will still have it for the next couple of years. Definitely in my list of schools to visit.
 
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So under these new agreements do the airlines have to hire a graduate before someone else off the street even if the person off the street has way more experience? If so I would say this is a backwards step for safety.

Also once the new 1500 rule takes effect how will this work? How many kids graduate from these colleges and have 1500 tt already?
 
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Inverted25 said:
So under these new agreements do the airlines have to hire a graduate before someone else off the street even if the person off the street has way more experience? If so I would say this is a backwards step for safety.

Also once the new 1500 rule takes effect how will this work? How many kids graduate from these colleges and have 1500 tt already?
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If it falls in line with past experience at 9E, they'll hire the bridge guys first. After all, JetU was our main source of incom.....er, feeder. 9E doesn't know what their needs are next week, much less after the new rules take effect. They're trying to get as many people as they can NOW and deal with what comes later....well, later. I'd say a majority of the college grads aren't anywhere close to 1500 unless they did some significant flying outside of calls. However, I have aboslutely know statistics to back that up, just my gut feeling and based on the hours of guys hired here from universities in the past.
 
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Will 9E help pay back those loans?...that was rude I know.
 
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Sisson2011 said:
The University of Oklahoma Aviation Department and Pinnacle have announced a direct hire agreement. If you have graduated OU within 24 months, had a 3.00 or greater GPA, first class medical, and a few other items you are eligible to be placed on Pinnacles list for when the next class date is available.
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I just talked to them and they told me that no one was supposed to know about this yet since they haven't released any information to the public just yet and they asked what the website was.
 
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kellwolf said:
Costs. How available is GA to the average European? Not very because it's so expensive to get your ratings there. A lot find it cheaper to come to another country (aka here) to go to a JAA school and get their ratings. So, you've got a couple of options: beef up the initial training and close it off to the people that don't care about flying for a career or leave it as it is but have more stringent requirements on things like the ATP rating or airline/corporate/charter/freight training cirriculums. Just look how much grief we get over just TALKING about requiring an ATP for an basic level airline position. Not only do the low time guys that thought they were 6 months away from flying a CRJ complain, but so do the airlines since most of the guys that train to that level want to be compensated fairly. I myself see no problem with the compromise of just requiring an ATP to fly for an airline. I mean it IS called the "airline transport pilot" after all. By the time you reach the mins for the ATP, you've probably got as much knowledge as one of the guys that went through a European program, and you've for sure got more real world experience.
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And I do buy the "you managed to not kill you and your people in those 1500 hours" argument as well. Just askin' the question. You know me...:deadhorse: :panic:
 
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I just talked to them and they told me that no one was supposed to know about this yet since they haven't released any information to the public just yet and they asked what the website was.
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They've sent out emails to the OU students. There is a binder in the department that details the entire agreement. My stuff is already in. They are also having an information session regarding this and our bridge with Eagle tomorrow at noon.
 
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Man I wish I went to OU. I am currently with MSU. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
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Sisson2011 said:
They've sent out emails to the OU students. There is a binder in the department that details the entire agreement. My stuff is already in. They are also having an information session regarding this and our bridge with Eagle tomorrow at noon.
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BOOMER!
 
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FYI, ATP (Airline Transport Professionals) also launched a website similar to airlineapps that would allow you to get looked at by several airlines. Apparently the RJ course and agreements they have with several carriers allow them to get "a leg up", as long as you have gone through their training in some way. It even breaks down the total time into time at ATP and time since leaving.

http://www.pilotpool.com
 
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STOOOOPID! This is just another way to get ones self into serious debt, then make regional pay that will not afford you to pay off those loans, and force you to live at home with mom and pop, and commute all the way across the country. I see this as not much different than Gulfstreams way of things. Simply buying your way in. IMO, a 300hr pilot in the right seat of an airline enviroment is nothing more than a bump on a log. "Gear up, shut up" comes to mind. I have over 2000 hours, with the last nearly year of that flying being single pilot IFR in a Chieftain, and my ATP. I still feel like I know barely enough to keep my butt from becomeing a smoking hole in the ground. And now there are some airlines out there that are going to put fresh college kids in the cockpit of an airliner. Well, at least it's easier to fly and airliner than it is a Chieftain. No stage cooling, all the automation, etc. The Lear I sit right seat in once in a blue moon is eaiser to fly than the PA31.
 
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mshunter said:
STOOOOPID! This is just another way to get ones self into serious debt, then make regional pay that will not afford you to pay off those loans, and force you to live at home with mom and pop, and commute all the way across the country. I see this as not much different than Gulfstreams way of things. Simply buying your way in. IMO, a 300hr pilot in the right seat of an airline enviroment is nothing more than a bump on a log. "Gear up, shut up" comes to mind. I have over 2000 hours, with the last nearly year of that flying being single pilot IFR in a Chieftain, and my ATP. I still feel like I know barely enough to keep my butt from becomeing a smoking hole in the ground. And now there are some airlines out there that are going to put fresh college kids in the cockpit of an airliner. Well, at least it's easier to fly and airliner than it is a Chieftain. No stage cooling, all the automation, etc. The Lear I sit right seat in once in a blue moon is eaiser to fly than the PA31.
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Some jets are easier to fly than a 'ho, I agree. But you sure can get yourself in trouble quicker with a jet.
 
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