The unicom police

[Douglas]

I wouldn't say "last call" that's for sure. Amateurish. Just say you are switching over to ATC and be done with it. Glad we agree.

We fly into quite a few uncontrolled fields and if you said "last call" on CTAF, I wouldn't have a clue what you meant. Use your imagination. It's not standard and it's unprofessional. Because "switching over to atc" is total professional and standard. It's a free country, you can say whatever you like on the radio, just know that others that hear you think of you as an amateur. IYO

Embrace it.
I already wrote it in the AIM.

 

[A-300F4-622R]

Embrace it.
I already wrote it in the AIM.

I've got more important things to do than get into a pissing match with you, that I know you can't win.

 

[Ian_J]

I always wondered why on jetcareers.com would CFIs would argue about trivial things with 12,000 hour airline captains? Seems counterproductive.

 

[N519AT]

I've got more important things to do than get into a pissing match with you, that I know you can't win.

Sigh.

I realize that you have 12,000 hrs and everything but I think you could be a little bit better of a role model to this community. Instead of picking on the little guy and being on a high horse, why don't you try and add useful content to the board? You've got your career set and you've got it made. That's fine, and I'm happy for you. You could be doing more with your posts instead of calling things "amateurish" and "unprofessional." You were there once too.

If you want to be a role model and provide a quality insight to the freight world, then by all means stay. If not, www.airlinepilotforums.com and www.flightinfo.com are more suited to your liking.

 

[anthenry]

Really? I don't see what A300 did that was offensive. He called it amateur and gave an alternative. Works for me. He's an experienced pilot that says if he heard 'last call' he would have no clue what it meant, so there are probably others that wouldn't know either. I say keep the posts coming and don't leave JC.
It seems ironic we're talking about Unicom Police and you are trying to police the thread.

 

[Boris Badenov]

If you want to be a role model and provide a quality insight to the freight world, then by all means stay. If not, www.airlinepilotforums.com and www.flightinfo.com are more suited to your liking.

How bout you leave the "disinviting" to the people who run it, junior? The last thing we need is more self-appointed censors.

 

[A-300F4-622R]

Sigh.

I realize that you have 12,000 hrs and everything but I think you could be a little bit better of a role model to this community. Instead of picking on the little guy and being on a high horse, why don't you try and add useful content to the board? You've got your career set and you've got it made. That's fine, and I'm happy for you. You could be doing more with your posts instead of calling things "amateurish" and "unprofessional." You were there once too.

If you want to be a role model and provide a quality insight to the freight world, then by all means stay. If not, www.airlinepilotforums.com and www.flightinfo.com are more suited to your liking.

The other guy is the one saying that some made up, non standard phrase is the way to go. I'm just saying that in over 25yrs of flying, I've never heard "last call" used on CTAF. Now, if he wants to use made up phrases, then more power to him, but the fact remains that it's amateurish and non standard.

I guess telling him that "last call" is not proper CTAF phraseology in NOT providing useful content to this board. Some people need to be called out, in a professional and constructive way that their procedures are incorrect.

 

[Ian_J]

Sigh.

I realize that you have 12,000 hrs and everything but I think you could be a little bit better of a role model to this community. Instead of picking on the little guy and being on a high horse, why don't you try and add useful content to the board? You've got your career set and you've got it made. That's fine, and I'm happy for you. You could be doing more with your posts instead of calling things "amateurish" and "unprofessional." You were there once too.

If you want to be a role model and provide a quality insight to the freight world, then by all means stay. If not, www.airlinepilotforums.com and www.flightinfo.com are more suited to your liking.

Sigh indeed. I'm a little embarrassed for JC in seeing how low-timers treat experienced professionals.

Here's how the exchange could have gone:

Just say how you are going to depart the pattern and then contact ATC if appropriate. This "last call" thing is amateurish and dumb, like taxiing around with your strobe lights on, but that's a whole other topic.

I wouldn't say "last call" that's for sure. Amateurish. Just say you are switching over to ATC and be done with it.

We fly into quite a few uncontrolled fields and if you said "last call" on CTAF, I wouldn't have a clue what you meant. It's not standard and it's unprofessional. It's a free country, you can say whatever you like on the radio, just know that others that hear you think of you as an amateur.

That makes sense. I may agree or disagree with you but I appreciate the insight you've shared from your experience.

See... that wasn't so hard.

 

[Douglas]

I always wondered why on jetcareers.com would CFIs would argue about trivial things with 12,000 hour airline captains? Seems counterproductive.

wow ian, is that what you really got from this?

Edit: and Ian we are talking about UNICOM communication I think I am perfectly experienced to talk about this. Thanks for the low blow though.

 

[Douglas]

I wouldn't say "last call" that's for sure. Amateurish. Just say you are switching over to ATC and be done with it.
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Again, do you really think we are saying different things and that yours is in the AIM?

I wasn't pissing. I was keeping it jovial, but you can take what you will from it.

 

[Ian_J]

wow ian, is that what you really got from this?

Are you not arguing about a trivial thing? Is he not citing the AIM and years of experience? That's what I got from this.

Edit: and Ian we are talking about UNICOM communication I think I am perfectly experienced to talk about this. Thanks for the low blow though.

Low blow? Douglas... I said a CFI was arguing with a 12000 hour airline captain about a trivial matter. I know you have more sense and stronger intestinal fortitude than that, man! I dig you Douglas and it's nothing personal. I just thing there is a better way to discuss this subject with the person you're discussing it with. If you were just BSing with fellow flight instructors that's be completely different.

 

[Ian_J]

Again, do you really think we are saying different things and that yours is in the AIM?

I wasn't pissing. I was keeping it jovial, but you can take what you will from it.

Ahh... if that's the case my apologies. I read it wrong and will go mind my own business!

 

[N519AT]

How bout you leave the "disinviting" to the people who run it, junior? The last thing we need is more self-appointed censors.

My intent was not to "disinvite" but merely to try to provide an alternative that is more well suited for his "look down at you" attitude.



-"Junior."

 

[Douglas]

We are cool dude.
I'm a low timer, people can look at my profile to find that out, but I do know how to rock the UNICOM (J/king around everbody)

It is trivial. Extremely trival. An I say Tomato you say...uh Tomato. (works better saying it)

We are saying the same thing, imo and the AIM doesn't cover this situation. So in this situation being told it's unprofessional from what read to me like a high horse, I dug in.

Couldn't resist not digging in.

 

[Rocketman99]

There's no high horse in there at all. Some people's pet peeves are radio jackassery. I know it's one of mine. "Last call" on a radio call is another one up there on the list with "center xyz is with you..." Unnecessary and providing no useful content. I often try to educate people that fly with me about the (non-)usefulness and necessity of phrases like that. It's somewhat trivial, but every little bit helps in the molding of a professional aviator.

 

[A-300F4-622R]

My intent was not to "disinvite" but merely to try to provide an alternative that is more well suited for his "look down at you" attitude.



-"Junior."

I'm not "looking down" on you or anyone else. But when you advocate a non standard procedure, then I will call you on it.

 

[ppragman]

Who cares?

Not trying to be facetious, but seriously, what's with the hubbub over this.

 

[Champcar]

I try to give as much information about what I am doing and plan on doing without telling my life story. As long as you keep it short then I don't think too much info is a bad thing. Don't like throw to book at me or hog up the radio telling me to shut up.

 

[N519AT]

I'm not "looking down" on you or anyone else. But when you advocate a non standard procedure, then I will call you on it.

I misunderstood your tone then. For that I retract all of my previous statements and apologize. I do agree it is quite trivial and when it comes down to it, everyone has pet peeves. Especially pilots with flying.

 

[CFIscare]

I called up SJC tower once and had a brain fart and said "San Jose Tower, Skyhawk 3504P...err...Skyhawk 51989....correction Skyhawk 21591 request the option". I knew I just sounded like a tard to all the airliners on frequency, no one needed to remind me. Play nice now.

Naw, if I heard that, I would just assume you fly a lot and got things mixed around a bit. Besides, we all have out moments of brain farts.

A couple of weeks ago, I had just departed with a student on an IFR flight late at night.

Approach: "What is your destination?"

Me: "We are going to uhhhhh...." Me to student: "Where are we going? Riiiiight" "We are going to..."

You know I was just griping with a student the other day when I heard a couple of "last calls." What the hell is the point? Also, I don't care if you are taxing from the ramp at an uncontrolled field with one runway, one ramp, and one fbo...but thanks for telling me.

The whole "Last Call" thing is gaining speed fast. I hate to see it gaining popularity because it sounds so "cheesy." I did hear a guy the other day plead with the other to pilot that said "last call" to make one more! It made my student and I crack up!

I wouldn't say "last call" that's for sure. Amateurish. Just say you are switching over to ATC and be done with it.

Now, every airport has its own personality, especially big training airports, but the airport I fly out of you hear this a lot, and I am big on using it too. Why? Because I think it adds to the safety of the operation. Sure I could just saying "switching to ATC" or "switching to the practice area frequency" but "last call" says the same thing quicker.

In my opinion, I don't think it sounds unprofessional. I have a lot of radio pet peeves too (such as asking if anybody is on base or final when you are holding short or asking if anybody is in the pattern when you are approaching the airport. You should I already know this and I hate people tying up the radio, especially when it gets really busy.)

It may not need seem like a big deal, but when you need to change frequencies quickly and there is an arriving aircraft coming from the same direction you are flying towards, it can help.

I especially use "last call" when I leave the practice area to go back to the airport.

Like I said though, this is my opinion.

"Podunk County Traffic, XYZ123 departing the pattern to the Northwest, Podunk" serves the same purpose (in addition to giving real information!) and doesn't make you sound like you're threatening to hang up on your boyfriend.

I say that too, but I am also saying that on my other radio calls before my final call. Thus, if I say "last call" it stands out to any other traffic.

I always wondered why on jetcareers.com would CFIs would argue about trivial things with 12,000 hour airline captains? Seems counterproductive.

Now, while there is a huge experience difference hear, and we all would be wiser if us low time guys learned from the more experienced guys, I would be hesitant to discount the pilots who have to deal with busy uncontrolled airports daily, especially when there are student and weekend warriors mixed into the equation.

For me, I would take the side of one of our CFI's at our airport over any high time pilot any day when it comes to the safety of the airport I fly at. When you fly into one airport day in and day out, you know it like your back hand and you know what works and what doesn't.

Again, this is just my opinion. I am not trying to say anybody is wrong here.

Edit: and Ian we are talking about UNICOM communication I think I am perfectly experienced to talk about this.

Agreed.

Who cares?

Not trying to be facetious, but seriously, what's with the hubbub over this.

:yeahthat:

I try to give as much information about what I am doing and plan on doing without telling my life story. As long as you keep it short then I don't think too much info is a bad thing. Don't like throw to book at me or hog up the radio telling me to shut up.

Agreed. Which is why I am a fan of "last call".