The Reign of Terror Is Over
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fly22
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I'm going to have to pipe in here about the govt and mormons. The mormon church doesn't literally control the govt. in UT. What takes place is close to 50% of the population is mormon and most are very conservative. Therefore they usually vote as one group and the liberals are split into two groups as Democrats and Independents. With the conservative group usually taking most votes they take their values and beliefs with them to the Legislative system. There are actually very prominent Mormon leaders that vote Democrat. None the less it can be very quirky here that I will admit.
I'm suprised Aloft hasn't piped in yet, usually he is one of the first on this talk.
I'm suprised Aloft hasn't piped in yet, usually he is one of the first on this talk.
Lee D
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Not all Mormons, politically speaking are republican. I believe the senate minority leader, Harry Reid is Mormon.
If it happens, count me in on the Red Iguana thing. I at least owe Doug a "gassy meal" after all the information over the years.
Fly22 congrats on the engagement!! When is the big day?
Ophir, I heard a few years back a couple of F/O's based in MRY actually lived in a tent near the beach for a few weeks. (There's a cheap housing idea for you!
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If it happens, count me in on the Red Iguana thing. I at least owe Doug a "gassy meal" after all the information over the years.
Fly22 congrats on the engagement!! When is the big day?
Ophir, I heard a few years back a couple of F/O's based in MRY actually lived in a tent near the beach for a few weeks. (There's a cheap housing idea for you!
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Dooooode have fun doing the Salt Lake Nine departure on 16L/16R.
Everytime I'm in SLC and there taking off to the south that departure takes my breath away.
With the sharp low level right turns to 280 as soon as the gears is stowed.AWESOME!
-Matthew
[/ QUOTE ]not to mention.. if your sitting on the right side of the cabin on the way to SLC from PHX - you get THE best view EVER of the entire grand canyon!
Dooooode have fun doing the Salt Lake Nine departure on 16L/16R.
Everytime I'm in SLC and there taking off to the south that departure takes my breath away.
With the sharp low level right turns to 280 as soon as the gears is stowed.AWESOME!
-Matthew
[/ QUOTE ]not to mention.. if your sitting on the right side of the cabin on the way to SLC from PHX - you get THE best view EVER of the entire grand canyon!
Maximilian_Jenius
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It is not as bad as you think. In fact, if it weren't for the Mormons this valley would already be looking more like the front range of CO. If you have to live in and amongst a fundamentalist religion, the Mormons are pretty inocuous. I certainly don't agree with most of their practices but living here is fantastic despite their control of the govt.
In fact Mathew there is a huge gay population here. You should have seen the gay pride parade two weeks ago. They were doing their best to get a ton of shock value out of of the Mormons.
Em, we'll have to coordinate a rendezvous when you and John come out in Aug. Let me know. -C
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What surprised me the most when reading Emily's post about moving to SLC was that but her and John are pretty open minded intelligent (philisophical) free thinking liberals.
Wanting to move to close minded,conservative religious dogmatic SLC.
I don't mean to rag on SLC but when visiting friends I have encountered ALOT and I mean ALOT of close minded people who believe anything and everything that there bishop says and refuse to think for themselves considering it to be tantamount to blastphamy (sp).
Not only that but being black I have experience some racism there as well. Which is to be expected as I'm well aware of the churches beliefs on blacks so that is water off a ducks back.
What I really take pause at is how much the mormon church controls local politics.
From news stations to the city newspaper (which don't quote me but I believe is church owned) then there is Zions bank. I just find it odd that a church owns a bank. They hold no monopoly as you do have other choices when it comes to banking. But again...I just find it odd that a church owns a bank.
All that being said. SLC is a beautiful city a tad too small for my taste but absolutely beautiful site to behold in the winter when the Wasatch mountains are covered with snow.
Lastly what is up with the rule saying that no building can be taller then the Mormon temple downtown...see what I mean just weird.
-Matthew
It is not as bad as you think. In fact, if it weren't for the Mormons this valley would already be looking more like the front range of CO. If you have to live in and amongst a fundamentalist religion, the Mormons are pretty inocuous. I certainly don't agree with most of their practices but living here is fantastic despite their control of the govt.
In fact Mathew there is a huge gay population here. You should have seen the gay pride parade two weeks ago. They were doing their best to get a ton of shock value out of of the Mormons.
Em, we'll have to coordinate a rendezvous when you and John come out in Aug. Let me know. -C
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What surprised me the most when reading Emily's post about moving to SLC was that but her and John are pretty open minded intelligent (philisophical) free thinking liberals.
Wanting to move to close minded,conservative religious dogmatic SLC.
I don't mean to rag on SLC but when visiting friends I have encountered ALOT and I mean ALOT of close minded people who believe anything and everything that there bishop says and refuse to think for themselves considering it to be tantamount to blastphamy (sp).
Not only that but being black I have experience some racism there as well. Which is to be expected as I'm well aware of the churches beliefs on blacks so that is water off a ducks back.
What I really take pause at is how much the mormon church controls local politics.
From news stations to the city newspaper (which don't quote me but I believe is church owned) then there is Zions bank. I just find it odd that a church owns a bank. They hold no monopoly as you do have other choices when it comes to banking. But again...I just find it odd that a church owns a bank.
All that being said. SLC is a beautiful city a tad too small for my taste but absolutely beautiful site to behold in the winter when the Wasatch mountains are covered with snow.
Lastly what is up with the rule saying that no building can be taller then the Mormon temple downtown...see what I mean just weird.
-Matthew
arguepolitics.com might be the best place for the rest of the mormon chat - that or "take it to the lav"
Maximilian_Jenius
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arguepolitics.com might be the best place for the rest of the mormon chat - that or "take it to the lav"
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Eh!... I don't mean to be controversial or offend just responding to Ophir's reply to my post.
All heated angry responses to my post can be sent to Maximillian_Jenius@Jetcareers.com....
-Matthew
arguepolitics.com might be the best place for the rest of the mormon chat - that or "take it to the lav"
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Eh!... I don't mean to be controversial or offend just responding to Ophir's reply to my post.
All heated angry responses to my post can be sent to Maximillian_Jenius@Jetcareers.com....
-Matthew
Maximilian_Jenius
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...and just in case you forgot,
The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control....
...aargh, shoot me now....
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I read on airnav.com that the Salt Lake Nine departure is a vectored departure due to obstacle clearance!
What obstacle? Most everyone will say the mountains. When I fly into SLC I normally fly one of three airlines. Southwest,America West or Delta. We normally depart on the Fairfield Six if runways 16L/16R are in use. This departure takes us south over the entire city and depending on what airline I fly we normally leave the SLC area via BCE or MLF if I'm HP and going to Vegas for a connection.
So why can't planes using the Salt Lake Nine dept. do the samething if heading east.
Meaning depart SLC on a heading of 160 degrees and depart to the east when they have gained enough alt. to cross over the Watsach. I'm thinking 10,000 ft. should be high enough. Instead of the crazy turning climbs after the gear doors close and getting vectors to 280 to cross TCH at a certain altitude.
-Matthew
...and just in case you forgot,
The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control....
...aargh, shoot me now....
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I read on airnav.com that the Salt Lake Nine departure is a vectored departure due to obstacle clearance!
What obstacle? Most everyone will say the mountains. When I fly into SLC I normally fly one of three airlines. Southwest,America West or Delta. We normally depart on the Fairfield Six if runways 16L/16R are in use. This departure takes us south over the entire city and depending on what airline I fly we normally leave the SLC area via BCE or MLF if I'm HP and going to Vegas for a connection.
So why can't planes using the Salt Lake Nine dept. do the samething if heading east.
Meaning depart SLC on a heading of 160 degrees and depart to the east when they have gained enough alt. to cross over the Watsach. I'm thinking 10,000 ft. should be high enough. Instead of the crazy turning climbs after the gear doors close and getting vectors to 280 to cross TCH at a certain altitude.
-Matthew
Cheechako
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It's all about separation between the inbound and outbound aircraft. Those headed east need to get up and over the wasatch. They turn those out to the west initially under the downwind traffic, then when high enough to clear the same downwind traffic and the mountains, they'll turn them to the east.
It's a good flow. My only beef is that phrase has been on the ATIS for, what, three years now? It just adds more garbage to an already long ATIS! RTFC! Read the Frikkin Chart!
It's a good flow. My only beef is that phrase has been on the ATIS for, what, three years now? It just adds more garbage to an already long ATIS! RTFC! Read the Frikkin Chart!
Ophir
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Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.
Well I won't keep up with Mormon discussion but I will say you are correct on many of your suspicions. It is a very screwed up religion. But then again, what religion isn't. Oops, off to the Lav! Sorry Kristie
Well I won't keep up with Mormon discussion but I will say you are correct on many of your suspicions. It is a very screwed up religion. But then again, what religion isn't. Oops, off to the Lav! Sorry Kristie
Maximilian_Jenius
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Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.
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Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ.
-MaTThEw
Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.
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Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ.
-MaTThEw
Lee D
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Mike D, I would buy you a "gassy" Red Iguana meal anytime too. Sheesh, so sensitive.
Agree on the SLC ATIS thing. Longest ATIS in the world. According to ATC the "Salt Lake 9 is a radar vector. . .blah blah, blah," is becuase at one time they had planes departing and turning on course in IMC conditions, without adequate terrain separation, and without permission to do so from ATC.
Agree on the SLC ATIS thing. Longest ATIS in the world. According to ATC the "Salt Lake 9 is a radar vector. . .blah blah, blah," is becuase at one time they had planes departing and turning on course in IMC conditions, without adequate terrain separation, and without permission to do so from ATC.
fly22
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BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board.
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Come on Lee you know that goes with territory. At least no one is throwing donkey crap on you. True story happened to me when I was in Peru. I was pissed then but now I laugh my a$$ off every time I think about it.
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Come on Lee you know that goes with territory. At least no one is throwing donkey crap on you. True story happened to me when I was in Peru. I was pissed then but now I laugh my a$$ off every time I think about it.