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qwikAg

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Hello friends:

In these tough economic times, lots of people are holding back on their training. Also it's a good time to get good deals on training and to negotiate a good price with flight schools.

I am about ready to start my training at the start of the new year. So far the best quote I have gotten is about 35,000 for a zero to 255 hour package. This package includes 80 hours of dual instruction (172) and 150 hours of rental in a 172. Also included are 25 hours of multi engine time. check ride fees are an extra 800 $ for the 4 check rides. So at the end of the course - one has Private, instrument, ME commercial and SE commercial.

This price also includes housing.

Is this a good price? Any thoughts on this?

Cheers

Q
 
qwikAg said:
Hello friends:

In these tough economic times, lots of people are holding back on their training. Also it's a good time to get good deals on training and to negotiate a good price with flight schools.

I am about ready to start my training at the start of the new year. So far the best quote I have gotten is about 35,000 for a zero to 255 hour package. This package includes 80 hours of dual instruction (172) and 150 hours of rental in a 172. Also included are 25 hours of multi engine time. check ride fees are an extra 800 $ for the 4 check rides. So at the end of the course - one has Private, instrument, ME commercial and SE commercial.

This price also includes housing.

Is this a good price? Any thoughts on this?

Cheers

Q
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Add 10 to 15% to that for the real number. Then run the numbers as to how long it will take you to pay back that money making less than $25,000 per year five years from now. Once that is done do enough research to know I'm right about a five year outlook and pay for your training as you go. You'll not have a flying job for the same amount of time but you'll have the ratings and zero debt when you're done.
 
oops

sorry! i posted that accidentally. Its 230 Hours total in the 172 and then 25 hours in the Seneca.

I was looking at someone elses break down in cost and typed that in accidentally.

Cheers
 
esa17 said:
Add 10 to 15% to that for the real number. Then run the numbers as to how long it will take you to pay back that money making less than $25,000 per year five years from now. Once that is done do enough research to know I'm right about a five year outlook and pay for your training as you go. You'll not have a flying job for the same amount of time but you'll have the ratings and zero debt when you're done.
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What he said. Pay as you go. It's not sexy, you won't go from zero to hero overnight, but you won't be saddled with obscene amounts of debt while making darn near nothing. Whats the interest rate anyway? Please don't tell me it's anything more than 10% (and I know it is). Go wait tables, bartend, do something that makes good jing but yet allows you time to focus on the task at hand. Pay as you go. I did, took me longer yes, but I have zero flying debt.
 
Thanks for the reply. The question here is not the debate of pay-as-you-go or spending at once on the whole deal.

Being an international student it will be very difficult for me to do the whole flying over an extended period of time.

Furhtermore, I already have a bachelors in software engineering -and hopefully will have my masters in Technical education within the next 2 years. I will be taking a year off from work and school to pursue my flying, something that I have always wanted to do before I turn 30. So till I get the job at an airline or as an instructor at an university, I will bide my time working on computers and writing more software.

My question is 35K a fair price on the training?

Cheers
Q
 
qwikAg said:
Thanks for the reply. The question here is not the debate of pay-as-you-go or spending at once on the whole deal.

Being an international student it will be very difficult for me to do the whole flying over an extended period of time.

Furhtermore, I already have a bachelors in software engineering -and hopefully will have my masters in Technical education within the next 2 years. I will be taking a year off from work and school to pursue my flying, something that I have always wanted to do before I turn 30. So till I get the job at an airline or as an instructor at an university, I will bide my time working on computers and writing more software.

My question is 35K a fair price on the training?

Cheers
Q
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That's a different ballgame altogether but I would still add 10-15% to that number. Fair, yes. Accurate, not likely.
 
That's a different ballgame altogether but I would still add 10-15% to that number. Fair, yes. Accurate, not likely.
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Thanks for the reply. I know a few people who went to the same place and didn't pay a penny more than the rate that was given to them when they started flying. They got the same number of hours as mentioned above

cheers
 
Check out "Aviator College", (flyaviator.com or aviator.edu) and no you don't have to go for the degree program. I think the Commercial program is around 38K but of the 250 hours 200 is in Multi engine aircraft with 4 months of housing.

Pro course is around 48K same as above with instructor ratings and six months of housing.

Time building in the Multi is around $79.00 dollars an hour. You can't beat that price anywhere!!


Multi engine time is what your hired on, if your looking to go to most airlines. 20 hours of multi may not get you very far.

I do agree on adding 15% to any price, very few people can finish in FAA Minimums.

You also might get hired as an instructor after your training, and if you sweet talk Mike he might work a deal with you for some software writing.
 
BillErvin said:
Check out Aviator, (flyaviator.com) I think the Commercial program is around 38K but of the 250 hours 200 is in Multi engine aircraft with 4 months of housing.

Pro course is around 48K same as above with instructor ratings and six months of housing.

Time building in the Multi is around $79.00 dollars an hour. You can't beat that price anywhere!!


Multi engine time is what your hired on, if your looking to go to most airlines. 20 hours of multi may not get you very far.

I do agree on adding 15% to any price, very few people can finish in FAA Minimums.
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I agree with Bill, probably the cheapest and best training around, you get a ton of multi time, you can fly everyday, and at $79 an hour for time building in a Multi I don't think anybody can beat that.
 
qwikAg said:
Isnt aviator the same as Ari Ben>

of the 200 on multi - how much is safety pilot time?

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Ari Ben is technically no longer. It is now Aviator College of Aeronautical Science & Technology. They have opened a two year degree College program accredited by the US Dept. of Education, the State of Florida and the Tech college accrediting agency.

I believe the non-degree program is Aviator Academy?


Multi-engine time building is 50% safety pilot time, its like that everywhere. Insurance Companies don't like low time pilots flying twins solo. You'll have around 140ish hours of PIC "soul manipulator of the controls" time. That's still better than 25, and you might ask how much of that 25 hours is part of your multi add-on training (non PIC time)
 
BillErvin said:
Ari Ben is technically no longer. It is now Aviator College of Aeronautical Science & Technology. They have opened a two year degree College program accredited by the US Dept. of Education, the State of Florida and the Tech college accrediting agency.

I believe the non-degree program is Aviator Academy?


Multi-engine time building is 50% safety pilot time, its like that everywhere. Insurance Companies don't like low time pilots flying twins solo. You'll have around 140ish hours of PIC "soul manipulator of the controls" time. That's still better than 25, and you might ask how much of that 25 hours is part of your multi add-on training (non PIC time)
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Are the VA guys not getting solo time anymore?

BillErvin said:
Multi engine time is what your hired on, if your looking to go to most airlines. 20 hours of multi may not get you very far.
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Maybe, but the difference between 25 and 200 is not going to get you a job.
 
Gonzo said:
Are the VA guys not getting solo time anymore?
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I believe they still do, but that because the VA requires it, I was just addressing his question.

You have a date for the Schoolhouse yet?

Gonzo said:
Maybe, but the difference between 25 and 200 is not going to get you a job.
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You're right, but 200 its a lot closer than 25, plus if he has a visa that allows him to work here as an instructor he can build more multi hours.
 
I checked out the new website and the new Aviator, setup does seem to be very strange. Mike Cohen used to be all about a low headline price and no simulators. Now, the price is not mentioned; well if you have to ask you..... The CRJ sim? Were they selling that in a garage sale? I mean, what is the point in paying for that? Those things do little to enhance employability and you can prepare for sims better on FS2004. I think that this change in approach is going to hurt the Aviator, big style!

48k for the Pro Course. When I did the course it was less than 30k. Oh, and I hate to break it to you but the airlines have not raised their pay levels to compensate.
 
That price looks to be pretty competitive based on my own research - some of it varies from place to place - major cities tend to cost more for flight training.

Good luck to you.
 
Yeah William, I found the course price out from another thread. The price used to be the main fixture of Aviator promotional stuff; no more!

Your point?
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High training costs and rock bottom pay and not even any job right now. This is not an industry to get into I'm afraid Billy.
 
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