The Payback Day Massacre

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Curious decision right before the busy summer and section 6 openers to unilaterally upend work rules over at SJI.

I espeicaly like the part where they say, “we’re screwing you but please keep volunteering to work more”.

Hooo boy.
 
PB days are one of the few things this pilot group agrees on as a whole and can unite around. I have a feeling this will backfire spectacularly.
 
bike21 said:
Curious decision right before the busy summer and section 6 openers to unilaterally upend work rules over at SJI.

I espeicaly like the part where they say, “we’re screwing you but please keep volunteering to work more”.

Hooo boy.
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If anything, this will only further galvanize my efforts to work less (than I already do).
 
I barely even work my awarded pairings, let alone even know how to submit a GS. Yet even I am insulted by the company’s attempt to make every pilot hate them. Those are the things that keep people working like mad so I can sit at home doing less than nothing.
 
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Plata said:
For those of us not in the know, could someone ‘splain what’s going on?
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At Southern Jets, reserve pilots can pick up flying on their days off. In return they get a “payback day” that can be used to either drop a trip with pay or add days to vacation in either the current or next vacation year.

The company has decided that letting pilots drop trips or add days to weeks in the current vacation year, that pilots are now only able to add them to vacation weeks in the next vacation year. It’s largely destroyed the value of PB Days as using them to drop trips with pay is a large reason for their use.

Great way to make pilots happy going into contract negotiations.
 
Karnage said:
At Southern Jets, reserve pilots can pick up flying on their days off. In return they get a “payback day” that can be used to either drop a trip with pay or add days to vacation in either the current or next vacation year.

The company has decided that letting pilots drop trips or add days to weeks in the current vacation year, that pilots are now only able to add them to vacation weeks in the next vacation year. It’s largely destroyed the value of PB Days as using them to drop trips with pay is a large reason for their use.

Great way to make pilots happy going into contract negotiations.
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If you’re a reserve pilot, how does the mechanism for dropping a trip with pay work? Surely you can’t drop a trip you’ve been assigned on reserve? Do you then have to be a line holder to use that function?
 
Roger Roger said:
If you’re a reserve pilot, how does the mechanism for dropping a trip with pay work? Surely you can’t drop a trip you’ve been assigned on reserve? Do you then have to be a line holder to use that function?
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You have to be a regular/line holder to drop a trip.

Basically you can stack your reserve at the beginning of the month, then pick up some premium at the end and in a later bid period bid a line and use those days to drop trips with pay.

There are other ways to make them payback but basically you’re trading a reserve off day for paid time off later. And now the company has decided that the later only means way later.
 
No, they are in the PWA, with options for trip drop, same year vacation add, or next year vacation add. The drop and same year add are “mutual agreement” which despite long standing practice the company has decided unilaterally to not agree to any more.
 
Doesn’t seem like a good idea for the company to flush morale down the toilet with spring break and summer around the corner. Hopefully DALPA gets it worked out in the pilot group’s favor.
 
Skåning said:
Trips we work on days off while on reserve just pay over guarantee. Take the money now, working for delayed compensation seems odd.
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You get paid to work the trip, but you also get future time off too. Plus you can wash trips and drop them multiple times and have a friend pick them up swap back into them then drop them then pick them up. I swear like 75% of our gripes about pay are corner cases of the excess of contractually allowed "abuse" we can do to the system to make several hundred hours of credit a month while working almost nothing. It's literally it's own eco system of how to play the system and get paid.

It's all Greek to me beyond the ability to turn working on an off day into a future day off but then I avoid reserve like the plague because it usually just means I have to sit in a hotel in base all day when they convert me to short call and that's a pain in the butt as a commuter.
 
Karnage said:
You get paid to work the trip, but you also get future time off too. Plus you can wash trips and drop them multiple times and have a friend pick them up swap back into them then drop them then pick them up. I swear like 75% of our gripes about pay are corner cases of the excess of contractually allowed "abuse" we can do to the system to make several hundred hours of credit a month while working almost nothing. It's literally it's own eco system of how to play the system and get paid.

It's all Greek to me beyond the ability to turn working on an off day into a future day off but then I avoid reserve like the plague because it usually just means I have to sit in a hotel in base all day when they convert me to short call and that's a pain in the butt as a commuter.
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Can you explain washing trips more?


If I have a trip, I drop it, I lose pay. My friend picks it up. Then gives it to me? What’s the pay advantage to all this?
 
It can get kinda convoluted based on whether the trip covers some or all of your reserve days, but it can be quite the beneficial system, assuming you wanna spend that much time staring at iCrew.
 
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