The Great Jumpseat War of 2019
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Check what Mike Hamilton replied to you on my Facebook post. OO was offered the same priority as GoJet. They refused to sign the deal, so they got kicked to the bottom.
bLizZuE
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Exclusive: XJT, Whisky, CommuteAir, TSA
Non-exclusive: GoJet
Other: Everyone else
On an exclusive carrier: own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UA pilot, UA dispatcher, UAX exclusive pilot, UAX exclusive dispatcher, GoJet pilots, GoJet dispatcher, other pilots, other dispatchers
On a non-exclusive carrier (currently just GoJet): own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UAL/UAX pilot, UAL/UAX dispatcher, other pilot, other dispatcher
Other (Mesa, SkyWest, Rebulic): own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UAL/UAX pilot, UAL/UAX dispatcher, other pilot, other dispatcher
Non-exclusive: GoJet
Other: Everyone else
On an exclusive carrier: own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UA pilot, UA dispatcher, UAX exclusive pilot, UAX exclusive dispatcher, GoJet pilots, GoJet dispatcher, other pilots, other dispatchers
On a non-exclusive carrier (currently just GoJet): own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UAL/UAX pilot, UAL/UAX dispatcher, other pilot, other dispatcher
Other (Mesa, SkyWest, Rebulic): own metal pilot, own metal dispatcher, UAL/UAX pilot, UAL/UAX dispatcher, other pilot, other dispatcher
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
I haven't read this from our end or this being communicated to us. I'm not surprised it hasn't either. This agreement would have made sense to me.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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It’s no surprise that the student council is hiding things from you. When you have no real accountability, you can do whatever you want.
L-16B
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I don’t think I fully understand what RAH is asking and or wanting for us at AA.
At Colgan we flew for United, airways and continental on the Saab. I flew on the continental side and only got continental benefits and didn’t get priority on airways or united Jumpseat’s even though I sometimes flew planes with their paint on the side.
How can a RAH pilot that flies for (I don’t even know who all they fly for anymore to be honest) united and delta and AA expect priority over offline jumpseaters on all three airlines? Do they get travel benefits on all three?
At Colgan we flew for United, airways and continental on the Saab. I flew on the continental side and only got continental benefits and didn’t get priority on airways or united Jumpseat’s even though I sometimes flew planes with their paint on the side.
How can a RAH pilot that flies for (I don’t even know who all they fly for anymore to be honest) united and delta and AA expect priority over offline jumpseaters on all three airlines? Do they get travel benefits on all three?
saxman
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What they were offered was a crap sandwich. If they didn’t agree to that then a crap sandwich turned into a crap plus sloppy seconds sandwich. That’s not how negotiations work.
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bLizZuE
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I don't really see how it was that much of a crap sandwich. Makes no sense to me that a SkyWest pilot should bump a United pilot off a Mesa jumpseat, and it's not that far fetched that wholly owned or exclusive carriers would get some kind of priority bump. Now we're eating a crap 10 foot party sub over something kind of stupid. And THIS is the time SAPA decides to grow a backbone, supposedly? While throwing the pilot group into the awkward position this puts them in while El Presidente likely doesn't have to carry any of it out. After seeing how the reps talk to their "constituents" and their track record, I know who I'm more willing to believe on this issue, and it's not SAPA.
Cazadores
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I guess the only thing I disagree with you here is why it makes sense a United guy should bump a SkyWest or Republic guy off a Mesa jumpseat?
Seems simple to me, you're either on the seniority list or not, and if the United MEC would actually make an attempt to climb back to a point where our passes aren't essentially worthless we probably wouldn't be fighting over a seat no one really wants to have to occupy anyway.
Regain priority for premium cabins, reassert the value of pass travel as a benefit vs privilege, make it an issue in negotiations. The rest of this is absurd. On both sides.
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Cazadores
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You can.
You should.
Perks and access are seen as benefits and negotiated as part of pay and retention packages in virtually every industry.
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If I'm looking at it right it would be time of check-in in that scenario, which I don't see how that's anywhere remotely worth the stink that has been raised over this. It looks like UA carriers they'd kind of treat like wholly-owned (lol) which always was a higher priority, or at least I believe usually is.
Pilots do understand that they literally have no sway over corporate decisions. At least I hope they do.
Cazadores
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No, no they don't, and even more disturbing they generally miss the part where they get played it seems.
It's like wedge issue politics, most know better but they fall for it, every, single, time.
Pilots vs Pilots, and in St. George ALPA vs YOU. In the middle of an organizing effort. Management GOLD!
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That might as well have been taken 'round back and shot now.
Cazadores
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Yeah, well if you're saying what I think you're saying, well...my apps are out and any ALPA pilot is welcome on my jumpseat.
Sick of this.
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Oh, I base that on nothing other than good luck getting the average OO pilot to disassociate this with ALPA. They all think this is ALPA's doing or the snarky anti union guys are all going on about how this is ALPA's fault or why isn't ALPA doing anything.