The Glory Days Are Over

BrianNC

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Here is an article by Barry Schiff in this month's AOPA. It is about what he considers the demise of the glory of being an airline pilot. Just wondering what you airline pilots and wannabees thought about it.

Proficient Pilot

The glory days are over

BY BARRY SCHIFF (From AOPA Pilot, June 2006.)
Barry Schiff retired from TWA in 1998 after a 34-year career with the airline.
[SIZE=+2]I[/SIZE] have been agonizing over the topic of this column for a few years, not knowing if I should publicly air my personal thoughts. Not to do so, I finally concluded, would be intellectually dishonest. So at the risk of attracting flak, here goes.

I was hired as a pilot by Trans World Airlines in 1964. This was during the glamour years that began after World War II. Airline salaries were rising, working conditions improved with every contract renewal, and airline pilots earned approval and respect from every quarter. On international flights, airline pilots were treated like royalty.

No one working for Pan American World Airways or TWA during this period could possibly have anticipated the demise of their airlines. These were cultural icons of the twentieth century. At one time, TWA's logo was the second most recognizable in the world (Coca-Cola's was the first).

The death knell for this era sounded on October 24, 1978, when President Jimmy Carter signed the Airline Deregulation Act. The merits and demerits of deregulation aside, the long-term result for pilots was etched in stone.

There would be an erosion of wages, working conditions, pensions, and job security.

Things got worse after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Because of the need for additional security, airline pilots are locked in their cockpits behind bulletproof doors and suffer the indignity of coordinating trips to the lavatory with flight attendants.

The glory years are gone.

I could not have been prouder when my son Brian was hired by TWA in 1989. Although conditions had declined since the airlines were deregulated, being an airline pilot was still a great job. He upgraded to captain on the Boeing 727 11 years later. Although thrilled to be in the left seat of a jetliner for a major carrier, he worked harder and earned a smaller salary than I did many years previously.

TWA was assimilated by American Airlines in 2001. During the next two years Brian went from left seat to right seat to the street. He had been furloughed and eventually found a job flying Learjets for a Part 135 operator. He now flies as captain of a Canadair Regional Jet for a commuter carrier.

Like thousands of others who have been furloughed from the majors, he has no idea when he will be recalled. Considering that American is reducing its need for pilots by contractual increases in pilot productivity and outsourcing many of its shorter, thinner routes to commuter carriers, it could be many years before Brian again sees an American Airlines' flight deck. Another of my sons, Paul, began to satisfy his desire to become an airline pilot in 2000 when he was hired by Trans States Airline, a company that operated TWExpress, US Airways Express, and AmericanConnection. Paul bounced between all three and discovered after 9/11 that he was not making headway in accruing seniority.

After four domicile changes, he opted to leave Trans States and obtain a more promising position with United Express. He worked there for three years, during which he had as many changes in domicile, and discovered that the most he had earned after six years as a commuter pilot was less than $30,000 per year. He again foresaw little potential for a career like I had and with great mental anguish opted to change professions.

Paul recently started a pet-supply company, gets to spend every night in his own bed, and has an opportunity to develop a social life. As an airline pilot gone from home 21 days a month, he had little opportunity to meet someone with whom he might like to share a future. When he did meet someone, he had neither the time nor the money for dating.

Paul says, "It is relatively easy to get a job with a commuter carrier, but not because these carriers are losing pilots to the majors; they are not. The attrition rate at the regional level is high because so many pilots reach their limits of endurance and quit. They find it too difficult to live on starvation wages [especially those with families]. There usually was nothing left in my wallet after shelling out for commuting and crash-pad expenses."

Although these are anecdotal experiences, my frank and personal discussions with numerous other airline pilots corroborate my feelings about the state of the airline industry. I can no longer encourage aspiring airline pilots without first ensuring that they understand the treacherous and daunting journeys typically required to reach for such lofty goals.

Do not misunderstand. Coping with the challenges of weather, communing with nature in a way that only pilots can appreciate, and maneuvering a sophisticated aircraft from one place on Earth to another remains a stimulating and gratifying endeavor (although I think it was more fun with less automation). It is the price one must pay to get there that is so discouraging.

I frequently am asked for advice about becoming an airline pilot. The best advice I can offer those determined to endure the rigorous hardships often required is to simultaneously develop a sideline vocation that can be used in case of emergency. A pilot should never get into a position that is totally dependent on income from an airline.

Does the end justify the means? Does becoming a captain for a major airline justify all that must be endured to get there? Perhaps, but surviving long enough to get there is the problem.
 
I do not want to dash anyone's dream here with this statement ok, but here it goes... you could not pay me enough money to EVER be an airline pilot. To you guys that are, congradulations to you. I know you had to work hard for the opportunity to fly the big iron. I would love to get the chance to take a 767-400 for a couple approaches. But everything that comes with flying that airplane, a Beech 1900, and RJ, or a A320 you can have. I personally do not see anything appealing about that lifestyle anymore and to be honest with you all, that was THE reason i got into aviation...
 
WEAPON said:
I do not want to dash anyone's dream here with this statement ok, but here it goes... you could not pay me enough money to EVER be an airline pilot. To you guys that are, congradulations to you. I know you had to work hard for the opportunity to fly the big iron. I would love to get the chance to take a 767-400 for a couple approaches. But everything that comes with flying that airplane, a Beech 1900, and RJ, or a A320 you can have. I personally do not see anything appealing about that lifestyle anymore and to be honest with you all, that was THE reason i got into aviation...

Kinda have to agree. Pilots are short-changed though.
 
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Just wondering...does ANYBODY think their job is worth it anymore?

The reason I ask is because a few days ago I was talking to a retired American Airlines captain. He flew his entire career in what would be considered the "glory days." He was a naval pilot during WWII, then flew until the early '80s in the airlines. After retiring, he bought his own airport and has been managing it for the past 15 years. He's in his 80s now and still going strong, flying his C-150 and restoring vintage aircraft in his spare time.

I asked him what he thought of all the problems people talk about with the airlines...low pay, time away from home, management trying to screw the pilots, etc. Basically, he told me that pilots have complained for as long as he can remember. He was always flying with guys who were tired of being away from home and thought they deserved more. During his own career he was furloughed from American, went to work for United, then got recalled to American eventually. When he heard pilots complaining about the instability, he'd say, "What are you going to do? It's the business we're in. You get furloughed, you go out and get another job. There's no use whining about it."

Then he went on to tell me how he's never thought it was a good idea to make the airlines one's sole source of income. For him, he ran a farm for 35 years while he worked as a pilot. He also got his A&P certificates as a backup job. He knew plenty of other pilots who ran side jobs as well...maybe not because they needed the income, but because they wanted something to fall back on in case of furlough or medical troubles.

And this was all during the "glory days."

I'm not trying to say Barry Schiff or anybody here at JC is wrong. My point is just that I get mixed messages sometimes. This old captain I talked to made it sound like the glory days weren't as glorious as people make them out to be, and that modern times aren't as bad as people make them out to be. He made it sound like it never has been and never will be "easy" to be an airline pilot, but in general, it's worth it.

Is he a wise old man who keeps life in perspective? Or a crazy old man who has lost touch with reality? I don't know.
 
I have heard the same from a few who were there in the "glory days", but, overall, things appear to have moved backwards in many respects for the pax carriers, while freight carriers that, at one time, were considered less desirable by many, have become sought after jobs. I would say that things are way too fluid to make any determination at this point in time as to the value of the career in the future.

If you love flying then it really doesn't matter anyway, as you'll pursue it either way and nothing here will change that. For those that are/were in this for some other reason, they may choose to not pursue it, which is only good for those that love it.
 
WEAPON said:
I do not want to dash anyone's dream here with this statement ok, but here it goes... you could not pay me enough money to EVER be an airline pilot. To you guys that are, congradulations to you. I know you had to work hard for the opportunity to fly the big iron. I would love to get the chance to take a 767-400 for a couple approaches. But everything that comes with flying that airplane, a Beech 1900, and RJ, or a A320 you can have. I personally do not see anything appealing about that lifestyle anymore and to be honest with you all, that was THE reason i got into aviation...

:yeahthat:
 
WEAPON said:
I do not want to dash anyone's dream here with this statement ok, but here it goes... you could not pay me enough money to EVER be an airline pilot. To you guys that are, congradulations to you. I know you had to work hard for the opportunity to fly the big iron. I would love to get the chance to take a 767-400 for a couple approaches. But everything that comes with flying that airplane, a Beech 1900, and RJ, or a A320 you can have. I personally do not see anything appealing about that lifestyle anymore and to be honest with you all, that was THE reason i got into aviation...

Good..See ya...One less guy competing for my job.
 
Why are you crapping your pants? Are you qualified for the jobs? Go with the job you are wanting and don't settle for the first one that comes knocking. Remember, this industry is very ugly. Be happy with the job you take or it could be much worse than just not getting the call. Be confident and be happy with every job you have, or move on to a BETTER job...don't settle for what comes along.
 
Thanks...I really want Xjet, but Colgan was definately my runner up. Thanks for the support. You earned a few rounds of brew if we ever meet up :)
 
Yeah, it's just the vodka (out of the Gentleman) talking...not really a nice guy, but felt like putting some stuff on here :bandit:

Good luck and keep to the airlines, so i don't have any competition in the rest of the aviation world ;) .
 
BrianNC said:
The death knell for this era sounded on October 24, 1978, when President Jimmy Carter signed the Airline Deregulation Act.

I'd beg to differ...Deregulation is what made the industry more competitive,dare I say better. It opened up new routes and opened up the path for more pilots and people to be able to fly commercially. As we all know if the industry was still regulated more then half of us on here who are professional pilots wouldn't be. Pre-deregulation salvation was easier for most then the odds of the skies parting and you getting hired with a major!

But yes...with all the good comes the bad. They don't call it "yin & yang for nothing.
 
I too beg to differ. This is an exciting age to be an airline pilot, not so much with the actual airlines but the potential advancement oppertunities. This is an era where new startups are accepting airline pilots' resumes for astronaut positions. I am doing a research project and have found many new space launch companies willing to hire airline pilots (including some orbital firms). Who knows if they'll ever fly and if they're just a pipe dream, but too me this an incentive to continue to pursure the career that I am. At the very least, these companies will set a precedent to be followed by other more solid and realistic firms.
 
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