The dark side of the pilot shortage.

ATN_Pilot said:
Assigned seating. Pretty simple. I want an aisle seat, so I book one. I can show up at the gate at the end of boarding and get the seat I wanted. I don’t have to show up hours early and then fight my way through the horde to get it.




Sure. And now you fly FedEx feed. Riiiiight.



Seven figures profit in a single year? No. And I don’t think you have, either. But my companies are doing quite well, thanks.
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To be fair you inherited the family business.
 
wheelsup said:
Well I'm just using your words.



Circa 2013?

Is this like Trump saying he never had any help* building his empire?

*except for the million dollar free "loan" from his parents

Your words tend to ring hollow when you are hypocritical.
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First, my father isn't dead, so I didn't inherit anything. He still works for me. Second, what I "took over" was the typical real estate agent LLC. If you're not in the industry, you may not be familiar, but many successful real estate agents start their own LLC for tax advantages, even if they're working for another brokerage. John Doe the real estate agent who works for a RE/Max brokerage starts an LLC called John Doe Enterprises LLC, has the brokerage pay him his commissions through the LLC, and then gets lots of tax benefits. That's essentially what my father had. He was a one-man show using an LLC for tax and liability reasons. I took that and turned it into one of the largest property management businesses in the state. Then expended into another state. Then started a couple of other companies to use for buying and renting out properties. Etc.

No hypocrisy here, boss.
 
wheelsup said:
ATN_Pilot said:
Assigned seating. Pretty simple. I want an aisle seat, so I book one. I can show up at the gate at the end of boarding and get the seat I wanted. I don’t have to show up hours early and then fight my way through the horde to get it. Sure. And now you fly FedEx feed. Riiiiight. Seven figures profit in a single year? No. And I don’t think you have, either. But my companies are doing quite well, thanks.
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To be fair you inherited the family business.
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He didn’t say he started it. He said he ran it. Who cares anyway?
 
I once again remind you all that I willingly and regularly get into an aircraft that is intentionally trying to shake it self apart and seemingly defy newtonian physics. Nothing I say should be taken seriously or relied on for purposes other than entertainment.

I'm still right about the inflight entertainment system though.
 
Inverted said:
I’m not gonna shed a single tear for the plight of 91 and 135 companies. I hope they completely revamp or cease to exist. Bottom feeder 135s will get the bottom of the barrel crap pilots with a child porn charge and a DUI because that’s the bed they made, and I couldn’t be happier about it.

I think back to just a short time ago at my first 135 carrier making 28k, being told that if I don’t kiss their shoes for the opportunity to fly a crappy turboprops, they would happily kick my butt to the curb and find somebody else. Now, watching how the only way, literally the only way they get people through the door, is with a 500 hour FO program that locks them in until they can fly as a captain, or captains with shady records, makes me so happy.

Call it the dark side all you want, but those subsets of the industry created the problem they are in. The entire industry relies on economic downturns to create a frenzy of qualified pilots on the market to feed the companies that would otherwise be desperate for pilots. And that isn’t unique to 91 and 135, 121 feels it as well. Hell the only reason the regionals have stepped it up as dramatically as they have, is because the economy is good and they can’t staff. Just wait until it dips and there are pilots on the street, the benefits, hiring bonuses and smiling faces by recruiters will stop overnight, and we will be back to Envoy kicking 10,000 hour airline captains out of the interview because they were off by .1 in their logbook.
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I worked for a "bottom feeder" 135 for about 6 months. When I quit, all I heard from the other guys was "thanks for screwing us all over, they want us to pay for our training now!" All I could come up with in reply was "And you still work there because?"

These places will always exist, and people will always go work for them because that's all they can find, but I don't feel sorry for them. Chances are, that's all they can find, because they did it to themselves.
 
Just because I want to fuel the fire. And basically skimmed the thread. So this might have been answered. And I want the truth! @Derg @ian @Cptnchia @PeanuckleCRJ @ClarkGriswold or anyone else in he know.

I though SouthernJets Air Lines included the jumpseater weight in the BOW, meaning a flight wouldn’t have to be held for a W&B issue with a jump? They might have to kick off paying pax but they can keep the jumpseater on?

Or am I off base?
 
Inverted said:
I’m not gonna shed a single tear for the plight of 91 and 135 companies. I hope they completely revamp or cease to exist. Bottom feeder 135s will get the bottom of the barrel crap pilots with a child porn charge and a DUI because that’s the bed they made, and I couldn’t be happier about it.

I think back to just a short time ago at my first 135 carrier making 28k, being told that if I don’t kiss their shoes for the opportunity to fly a crappy turboprops, they would happily kick my butt to the curb and find somebody else. Now, watching how the only way, literally the only way they get people through the door, is with a 500 hour FO program that locks them in until they can fly as a captain, or captains with shady records, makes me so happy.

Call it the dark side all you want, but those subsets of the industry created the problem they are in. The entire industry relies on economic downturns to create a frenzy of qualified pilots on the market to feed the companies that would otherwise be desperate for pilots. And that isn’t unique to 91 and 135, 121 feels it as well. Hell the only reason the regionals have stepped it up as dramatically as they have, is because the economy is good and they can’t staff. Just wait until it dips and there are pilots on the street, the benefits, hiring bonuses and smiling faces by recruiters will stop overnight, and we will be back to Envoy kicking 10,000 hour airline captains out of the interview because they were off by .1 in their logbook.
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I think I agree, but I'm not sure I'm reading that last paragraph correctly. Are you saying that now that the Envoys (et. al. ... not picking exclusively on Envoy) are faking a smile, hiring, and paying a bit better, that makes going to work for a company like that a good thing?!? A good company treats its people well and fairly ALL the time, not just when it perceives it has to. Reactionary companies that frenetically react opportunistically to every jitter on the scope are like pilots who jockey the yoke through turbulence... things will eventually break.
 
B767 said:
Just because I want to fuel the fire. And basically skimmed the thread. So this might have been answered. And I want the truth! @Derg @ian @Cptnchia @PeanuckleCRJ @ClarkGriswold or anyone else in he know.

I though SouthernJets Air Lines included the jumpseater weight in the BOW, meaning a flight wouldn’t have to be held for a W&B issue with a jump? They might have to kick off paying pax but they can keep the jumpseater on?

Or am I off base?
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Can't speak for SJI, but in general places that protect the jumpseat don't do it in the bow, but rather as part of the load planning IF company pilot lists for the jumpseat x amount of time in advance.
 
mshunter said:
"I just got hired to fly the Airbus A330 as an second officer with a major European airliner. The ‘hands on’ time I got with Tropic Air was a big advantage in my selection process."
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B767 said:
Just because I want to fuel the fire. And basically skimmed the thread. So this might have been answered. And I want the truth! @Derg @ian @Cptnchia @PeanuckleCRJ @ClarkGriswold or anyone else in he know.

I though SouthernJets Air Lines included the jumpseater weight in the BOW, meaning a flight wouldn’t have to be held for a W&B issue with a jump? They might have to kick off paying pax but they can keep the jumpseater on?

Or am I off base?
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It's included if you pre-list for the jumpseat. It doesn't apply for OAL unfortunately. We could walk up to the gate and be told no, but if we stood right there and listed on icrew, they couldn't tell us no. I don't really understand the reasoning behind it.
 
ian said:
It's included if you pre-list for the jumpseat. It doesn't apply for OAL unfortunately. We could walk up to the gate and be told no, but if we stood right there and listed on icrew, they couldn't tell us no. I don't really understand the reasoning behind it.
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Actually, it doesn’t say anything about pre listing in the new FOM re-write.

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“Delta pilot/flight attendant jumpseaters (1P, 2P, 1R, etc.) will be protected from displacement if revenue or NRSA passenger removal is required due to payload optimization. DC/OAL jumpseaters are not protected.”
 
Cptnchia said:
Actually, it doesn’t say anything about pre listing in the new FOM re-write.

26.5.2

“Delta pilot/flight attendant jumpseaters (1P, 2P, 1R, etc.) will be protected from displacement if revenue or NRSA passenger removal is required due to payload optimization. DC/OAL jumpseaters are not protected.”
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when was that rewrite? Not gonna go dig in my bag to look in content locker...but before the rewrite any idea why it was that way?
 
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